Wait, did we go from being freaked out that our devices might be passively recording our speech to accepting it as the “good and normal” version of things? Cause I’m pretty alarmed at both.
My favorite counterargument is asking these idiots if they close the toilet door. Because if they don’t want people to watch them shit, then they probably are hiding some suspicious stuff.
I get so frustrated when people find it extremely weird that I care about my privacy at all and haven’t accepted that I’m under surveillance 24/7.
I know I can’t achieve full privacy, but why is a little more privacy a bad thing and why do they take it so damn personally, without even telling them to do the same. There are so many people who are cucks for corporations, silently accepting every new violation of their rights as if they have no alternative.
They just don’t know what is on the line. They still believe the only things those corporations are gathering are the stuff we post online ourselves.
Or they blatantly don’t care. Siting arguments like “I don’t have anything to hide”, which irks me to no end.
“You sure you have nothing to hide Denise? Do you also leave the door open when you go to a public toilet, Denise? I thought you had nothing to hide, Denise?”
Your devices recording you is something that doesn’t happen.
That requires a lot of bandwidth, or a lot of battery and a little bandwidth. There’s no evidence of that happening.
Honestly, the creepier thing is that they don’t have to to get creepily accurate ads.
Geolocation data means they know who you spend time with. They also know their search history. They know your interests. They can look at what people who seem similar to you search for.
Plus, they serve you a lot of ads so they can afford to have a lot of misses.
Your devices recording you is something that doesn’t happen.
There’s no evidence of that happening.
What’s your basis for this claim? I mean that might be the case, but is there some reason you’re able to have so much certainty?
I understand the “bandwidth” argument, and the “they don’t even need that” argument (I make a similar case in a comment to another reply), but neither of those support the idea that it can’t be happening.
Getting around the bandwidth problem isn’t that crazy: Low bitrate encodings (cause the audio doesn’t need to be human-comprehensible) and edge compute (i.e. doing some work on the device before sending anything) could mitigate this significantly, so it’s hardly impossible.
I think we mostly agree, I just wouldn’t apply that degree of certainty. But if you’re really confident that it’s definitely not happening because it’s definitely not possible, maybe you know something I don’t?
Personal story time. A few years back, I texted (through Whatsapp) a colleague for a few minutes about a friend taking up welding as a supplementary source of income, and immediately (within the day) received a targeted ad in the Duolingo app for… welding torches. Important facts, I don’t weld, I’ve never done any welding and I don’t know anything about welding. How this bit of info got from whatsapp to whomever was providing interstitial ads in the duolingo app, I have no idea. My best guess is still that google’s keyboard app is logging every single keystroke I type and aggregating it in a database somewhere. I can’t fathom how that shit isn’t extremely illegal.
I don’t think so. Text to speech and speech to text engines are availiable locally without much power i guess. Also there could be error prone algorithm which records low quality audio for sake of performance and extended battery which is still enough. Also its not far off from recording and sending low quality audio to servers as intermet speeds are much faster than an audio stream
Wait, did we go from being freaked out that our devices might be passively recording our speech to accepting it as the “good and normal” version of things? Cause I’m pretty alarmed at both.
I was going to say this! Just goes to show how dangerously effective mass conditioning by unscrupulous corporations is!
Hell, a lot of people think that caring about data privacy and -security AT ALL is for losers unless naked pics are involved 🤦
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My favorite counterargument is asking these idiots if they close the toilet door. Because if they don’t want people to watch them shit, then they probably are hiding some suspicious stuff.
Yeah, it’s obvios they have something to hide if they want to close the door. They should make everyone see how they shit for the sake of our children
Butts for children?!
I thought they closed that place down!
It says but it’s (the big i can be very irretating)
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I get so frustrated when people find it extremely weird that I care about my privacy at all and haven’t accepted that I’m under surveillance 24/7. I know I can’t achieve full privacy, but why is a little more privacy a bad thing and why do they take it so damn personally, without even telling them to do the same. There are so many people who are cucks for corporations, silently accepting every new violation of their rights as if they have no alternative.
They just don’t know what is on the line. They still believe the only things those corporations are gathering are the stuff we post online ourselves.
Or they blatantly don’t care. Siting arguments like “I don’t have anything to hide”, which irks me to no end.
“You sure you have nothing to hide Denise? Do you also leave the door open when you go to a public toilet, Denise? I thought you had nothing to hide, Denise?”
Your devices recording you is something that doesn’t happen.
That requires a lot of bandwidth, or a lot of battery and a little bandwidth. There’s no evidence of that happening.
Honestly, the creepier thing is that they don’t have to to get creepily accurate ads.
Geolocation data means they know who you spend time with. They also know their search history. They know your interests. They can look at what people who seem similar to you search for.
Plus, they serve you a lot of ads so they can afford to have a lot of misses.
What’s your basis for this claim? I mean that might be the case, but is there some reason you’re able to have so much certainty?
I understand the “bandwidth” argument, and the “they don’t even need that” argument (I make a similar case in a comment to another reply), but neither of those support the idea that it can’t be happening.
Getting around the bandwidth problem isn’t that crazy: Low bitrate encodings (cause the audio doesn’t need to be human-comprehensible) and edge compute (i.e. doing some work on the device before sending anything) could mitigate this significantly, so it’s hardly impossible.
I think we mostly agree, I just wouldn’t apply that degree of certainty. But if you’re really confident that it’s definitely not happening because it’s definitely not possible, maybe you know something I don’t?
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Personal story time. A few years back, I texted (through Whatsapp) a colleague for a few minutes about a friend taking up welding as a supplementary source of income, and immediately (within the day) received a targeted ad in the Duolingo app for… welding torches. Important facts, I don’t weld, I’ve never done any welding and I don’t know anything about welding. How this bit of info got from whatsapp to whomever was providing interstitial ads in the duolingo app, I have no idea. My best guess is still that google’s keyboard app is logging every single keystroke I type and aggregating it in a database somewhere. I can’t fathom how that shit isn’t extremely illegal.
Instead of recording and sending to servers, the tracker could use some speech to text locally amd send transcription to the servers too
Right - that would require enough battery and processing power to make it obvious that it’s doing something like that.
I don’t think so. Text to speech and speech to text engines are availiable locally without much power i guess. Also there could be error prone algorithm which records low quality audio for sake of performance and extended battery which is still enough. Also its not far off from recording and sending low quality audio to servers as intermet speeds are much faster than an audio stream
They are available locally yes, but not without much power and processing.
So much power and processing usage, you would notice.
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