• borari@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    I mean China came halfway across the globe to float their balloons in America’s face.

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        1 year ago

        I’m just saying both sides whine. The Chinese government whined when the weather balloon got shredded and the US is whining now that Chinese plane is waggling its wings at the US plane. Both governments are just whining. I guess another word for it could be posturing?

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          Again, the difference is that US surrounded China with military bases, has been trying to build things like QUAD to contain China, and has now started an economic war with China. Saying that both whine is simply false equivalence. US is a clear aggressor here, and China has shown incredible amounts of patience dealing with US over the years.

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            1 year ago

            US is a clear aggressor here

            China has shown incredible amounts of patience dealing with US over the years.

            Yeah, when even the Vietnamese government is calling China out for their aggression in the South China Sea, it’s not a US v China thing.

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              1 year ago

              Ah yes, US is just trying to protect Vietnam from big bad China because US has a long history of helping countries like Vietnam. Cool story bro.

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                1 year ago

                I never said the US was protecting Vietnam, way to put words in my mouth. I’ll explicitly spell out what I said a second time: When two historically antagonistic countries, such as the US and Vietnam, both independently hold the same opinion that China is being overly aggressive regarding its claims to the South China Sea, China is probably wrong.

                You seem to think that I’m some jingoistic US MIC supporter. I am not.

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                    1 year ago

                    I never said relations between Vietnam and China weren’t friendly overall. I said that when pretty much every country near the South China Sea, including Vietnam, say that China does not have territorial claim over the South China Sea, China is probably overstepping and the aggressor in this specific situation.

                    The context for the discussion is US flying spy planes in South China sea. Vietnam has nothing to do with that last I checked.

                    You should probably check again, because Vietnam has claims on areas of the South China Sea that overlap China’s claims.

                    You do realize that even extremely friendly/allied countries can have disputes right? You also realize that there’s nuance to everything, and no country/government is perfect right? Criticism can be levied at a government without invalidating everything that government has done.