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We should do the VoC method where every death in a capitalist country is tallied up then raised to the power of a random positive integer.
Cumulative death toll estimate is about a billion. If you use black book logic, you can maybe push it up to 10 billion lol
Where did you find this?
I forgot 💀
Now do imperialism! I wonder how many people have died in Yemen this year, besieged by capitalist Saudi Arabia, with weapons they bought from the capitalist USA. We don’t actually know the number, because our capitalist media is not interested in making it a big story.
Communism is when no foo-
This should radicalize any neoliberal with even slightest amount of decency
-Neoliberal
-Slightest amount of decency
Pick one
You got the point
Cappie apologists are crying when faced with facts. “… but … but … communism killed waan hundred gigantillion people!!!”
Capitalism not only kills people but it also leaves some of them alive after robbing their brains.
500,000 die of malaria
The largest effort to combat malaria is the World Health Organization’s Strategic Advisory Group on malaria eradication. The United States is the largest single contributor to the World Health Organization, followed by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the United Kingdom, Germany, and the GAVI Alliance (itself funded by the B&M G Foundation, the IFFIm, the US, UK, Norway and Germany) - which is to say that all significant work to eradicate malaria is being funded by evil capitalists.
3,000,000 die from curable disease
This one’s harder to address… what is “curable”? what qualifies as “disease” under these terms? We don’t know. The reference listed is #3 the Children’s Hospital of Pennsylvania - like, the entire website. What specific information from that website is being used as the basis for this?
7,665,000 die of hunger
The reference is #2 the UN-Water website - again, the entire website. It’s not clear where the statistic is drawn from. There is this Water, Food and Energy page, but there’s nothing obvious about annual hunger-related deaths on it.
8,000,000 die from lack of clean water
The reference listed is #1 poverty.com which has an animated map with names and faces, but then says below “Note: The world hunger map display above is representational only and does not show the names and faces of real people.” The site links to the World Food Program. Again, it’s not clear what the number in the graphic is actually based on. The US is the top donor to WFP, so again evil capitalists.
It’s interesting that the reference to the “lack of clean water” number is food related, while the “hunger” number reference is water related… perhaps the numbers/references were switched while making the graphic? perhaps the author didn’t actually check their references? In any case, the references are to entire program websites and not to specific studies or reports that support the conclusions presented in the graphic.
20,000,000 easily preventable deaths annually
This broad conclusion only seems reasonable to a very elementary mindset, as it presumes that:
(1) Logistics is perfect, and all necessary supplies can be easily and effectively moved to where they need to be when they need to be. Anyone who has ever done any work in logistics knows that this is asinine.
(2) Services are perfect, and all necessary personnel (doctors, immunologists, engineers, distributors, etc) are always available and can be easily brought to where they need to be when they need to be there. Anyone who has ever done work in any kind of project coordination knows that this is asinine.
(3) “Capitalism” in its vague and nebulous form controls all world resources and is therefore responsible for distributing them - including all food, all water, and all medical supplies. Anyone with half a brain knows this is asinine.
I’m impressed that not a single person died from both lack of water & food
“Well I could start a meaningful discussion about the accuracy of the data or I could say something smug that downplays human suffering. Nobody can disprove that I’m a smuglord and I can’t be bothered defending my assumptions by looking for alternate data. So this is a no brainer (just like me)”
I don’t think I can really start a “meaningful discussion” here, can I? The image didn’t even define how does it count a death to be caused by capitalism to start with. It just points to anything happen in the world and says “it’s capitalism”.
You? Apparently not. But to the best of their ability people answer honest questions here. “If capitalism is so great and a shirt travels the world 5 times before getting to the shop why’re there tens of millions without access to sanitation and clean water” is a fair question.
Also, the high estimates of the famines in socialist states are measured exactly in the manmer you decried. If you could read the bottom text, you’d underatand this is intentional.
Also, the high estimates of the famines in socialist states are measured exactly in the manmer you decried. If you could read the bottom text, you’d underatand this is intentional.
So in other words, they are both wrong? What is the point of using a measuring method you don’t agree with in the first place?
Let’s underestimate the deaths then for the sake of argument.
There are about 9 million annual hunger deaths globally, so a quite conservative estimate for the figure total would easily be 10 million.
The point still stands that even if communism had really been responsible for 100 million deaths (spoiler: it isn’t), capitalism actually hits this every decade.
Er, I still can’t understand how everything happens in the world must be caused by Capitalism. So that 10 millions deaths per decade would be 0 if we all abandon Capitalism?
Yes, because capitalism is the means by which these inequalities exist where some people have unfathomable billions and some people can’t even get access to food.
A socialist planet would realize we could make further strides for the mutual benefit of everyone if we weren’t wasting the intellectual potential of millions depriving them of basic human needs and act accordingly.
Lack of clean water, not literally dehydration.
Either you drink the dirty water and die from that or you don’t and die from dehydration. What’s the point of the distinction of lack of water and lack of clean water?
The solutions are different.
?? The solution is to provide clean water. Also we were discussing about the grouping of death causes in the poster. How does the solution affect how you group that? Where is the group for literal dehydration anyway if they’re are different group of death causes as you suggested?
In a place where the local river is too polluted to drink, the solution is to either purify the water or solve the pollution at its source.
In a place where there’s literally no water, the solution is to truck or pipe water in from far away. That’s drastically different?
I think “lack of clean water” combines both causes of death, for simplicity? I’m not really sure why you have such a problem with it.
I think “lack of clean water” combines both causes of death, for simplicity? I’m not really sure why you have such a problem with it.
Yes, I agree. Which is why I said it’s impressive that there are no one dying from both lack of food & water in my first comment. It was your reply that says it’s “lack of clean water” (instead of lack of clean water + lack of water). Which is a meaningless distinction that we seems to both agree now? Have you changed your mind on that one?
People dying of dehydration probably also die of malnutrition, like you said, but people dying from drinking unclean water are a distinct group that can’t just be lumped together with starvation because that’s a public sanitation and pollution problem rather than a resource problem. This statistic groups dehydration and waterborne illness and pollution and industrial poisoning together as one group, and then separates that with malnutrition as a completely separate group. You, for some reason, have a problem with that?
The distinction is, to oversimplify it, between living in a parched desert or living next to a toxic river or a contaminated well. In the case of contaminated water, you may not even really know that your water is contaminated with, say, cholera or dysentery on a given day, you just drink it because you must.
I would also venture to guess that most people, even in overexploited nations, have access to water of some sort. So wording it as lack of clean water is probably more accurate than lack of water.
I’m more impressed that only 8 people died from lack of clean water.
Laugh track
when you are so anglo that you can’t even read numbers with a different separator.