Reddit was unusable way before the last scandal. Main problems being arbitrary, opaque moderation, astroturfing, low-effort posts, bots, general meanness and negativity.
It got to the point where it felt like you were more likely to interact with a bot or a propagandist than a normal human being.
Reddit is an advertising platform masquerading as social media.
It’ll probably happen here too, but it might take a while.

I don’t want to go back. I miss my subreddit - hell let’s be honest, I miss /Reddit/ - but… Seeing how spez has acted and treated… /everyone/…

Like… We used the site, we provided the content, and the conversations, and the knowledge, the info, the jokes, the memes… That was all us. And it’s like… I dunno he wants to eat his cake and have it to. He wants us there both for the content we provide as well as to monetize us and in a way I get it but it’s like… … When reddit was just the background… “the background” you didn’t really think about it so much, you know? But it’s like when Elon took over Twitter suddenly it’s not just “Twitter” in the background it’s now “Elon musks Twitter” and it’s front and center and sleezy and scuzzy and you just want to not be a part of it anymore.

That feels like reddit now. Like how spez has been acting just makes it all feel dirty and horrible.

And I /miss/ reddit, I miss my subreddits. I miss googling any random idea and aphending reddit to the end of it and not even thinking about if it would show up on there because you just knew it would. Like it wasn’t even a question… And I /miss/ that. So much. … But it’s like… /tainted/ now. I hate seeing reddit results from Google searches now.

And learning about how federation works reminds me of reading shadow run back in the day and how the matrix worked there with little nodes of info all talking to each other. In a way, then, the fediverse, to /me/, feels like the future…

So I’m willing to stay here and wait for it to grow and comment a little more than I ever did on reddit. Because I don’t want to go back. And I don’t think we should.

Meh. I’m staying here. Reddit has been getting worse. The future should be federated, not centralized, so hopefully that stuff Reddit just did has very little chance of happening again.

For me, it’s not just that they screwed up the API changes, it’s that they’ve repeatedly kept doubling down since then.

It’s also … I keep thinking back to Ellen Pao. They brought her in knowing that they wanted her to get rid of FPH and Victoria, knowing that at least the FPH thing was going to make her a target of the misogynistic GamerGate haters and bringing in a woman anyway, and they deliberately and repeatedly refused to give her any public support. It was completely reprehensible, and they cheerfully scapegoated her and kicked her to the curb when it was done.

As bad as that was, I also see elements of the same thing happening here, where this is a highly unpopular change, and there’s no one else from reddit speaking up to support spez. I think they’re going to have him force through the changes and then kick him to the curb like they did Ellen. They’re not going to reverse any of the changes - it’s what they want, after all, but they’re going to let spez take all the heat and go on their merry way completely unphased.

To be completely honest, I think spez deserves this: his job as CEO is to have vision, manage public relations, and handle crises, and he’s miserably failed at all of those. He misunderstood reddit’s most valuable assets (it’s commentary and the large group of people contributing and moderating the site for free), and he literally paid the API fees for some very profitable and potentially profitable companies to suck every piece of data from reddit; then he publicly targeted small publishers who enhance reddit instead of presenting them as collateral damage of the AI wars (I suspect to avoid bringing attention to his incredible lack of vision in letting everyone freely harvest data for their own lucrative products). And he’s clearly failing in the PR and managing crises front as well. But I truly believe that everyone at reddit is perfectly happy to let spez do this thing that they want done, and then they’ll throw him away when it’s done in an attempt to appease the users.

Anyway, your question is “what will I do if reddit undoes the API changes”. Given my beliefs, I simply don’t see how I could possibly trust reddit management ever again. And trust is a really big thing with me; I don’t think I could ever go back.

Unless you’re reddit management, here to gauge user temperament, in which case I will totally return if the API changes are undone, yes, of course I will, just trust me!

After Steve’s behavior and treatment of the mods and developers, I wouldn’t go back if they paid me. Even in the best case scenarios, they can’t undo the damage that’s already been done.

Imagine we’re at the point where the Titanic has split in two, and the remaining portion is held afloat by trapped air. You can patch the hole made by the iceberg, but it probably won’t change my plans too much.

I think everyone reading this from kbin or lemmy left out of principle, so they should also stay away from reddit out of principle.

Can Reddit also un-slander the 3pa devs?

In my case? Nothing. They thoroughly burned that bridge. They would have to rebuild it, and merely returning to the status quo after showing their hand isn’t enough.

I might end up on Reddit when googling for answers but I wouldn’t go back full time. It has been very clear from the past few days that spez and co are not to be trusted. I like kbin a lot, I feel adults are having actual mature conversations instead of the insult matches that happen on Reddit. And I have contributed here more than I have in the 10 years of using Reddit.

I’ll live here, but I might poke into Reddit for the more obscure communities that can’t really survive a migration. Reddit knows what it wants and even if it fails this time, they’ll get sly with it and push more and more until they’re satisfied.

The biggest news is going to make it over here at this point anyway.

Does not matter if they revert the changes or not at this point. I found a new home here and will keep using it.
I will still keep my reddit-Account and do the same as with my FB-account: Visit the site once a month to check up on the one or two communities that unfortunately stayed there.

I don’t see that a reversal at this point would be any different to Twitter suddenly becoming usable again. The damage has already been done, it can’t be reversed. Even with a pinky swear that Reddit will never pull this shit again, the trust is gone. Just like with Twitter - Elon could f*** off to Mars tomorrow, but the next person to step in and run Twitter could be just as bad, or worse. And both companies can implement any changes they like at any time with zero worry about what happens to the users. Thus - it’s the wake-up call we all needed, that someone else’s platform is really someone else’s platform - regardless of how long we have had a home there. It’s time for own platform, a community run platform.

I’ll stay here, I don’t tolerate being treated like sh*it as they did, it’s totally unacceptable. Even if they apologized, they shown their true colors, we know they would be lying.

I came here a couple of weeks ago and since then I did my best to be involved in lemmy communities so as to not miss reddit, and you know what? It worked :)

I’m not deleting my account because I want my data first (sent a GDPR request), but I don’t really care anymore about what they do, nor I care about reddit as a platform, engagement here is much higher quality.

Still following news because it’s entertaining, I love how the community got creative with the protest.

oh that boat has so sailed.