Everything I’ve heard about patriarchy in SK makes it sound like absolute hell. What’s that maybe exists maybe not movement where women are essentially doing 70s feminist secession from men? I’ve heard a bit about it and some of the interviews with women about the shit they go through are harrowing.
NATOpedai: 4B movement
4B (or “Four Nos”) is a feminist movement whose proponents refuse to 1) date men, 2) get married, 3) have sex with men, or 4) have children.
The 4B movement got outed as being TERF.
To add
The movement has approximately 3,400 members on Naver
Pretty damn small to boot
Yeah Americans love to say things like “the population decline in South Korea is because of the 4b movement” when it’s not a big thing at all. It drives me crazy. It’s just buying into right wing propaganda about population decline.
Yeah, my understanding is it’s one of those things where the line between an actual movement, a symbolic expression of rage, and right wing fearmongering is hard to draw.
Are women bourgeois?
Few dialogue options slap this hard
First off cw for discussion of suicide
Shameful behavior. It’s a combination of capitalist exploitation and the fact that men are more likely than women to choose more radical and violent methods of committing suicide which have higher rates of success.
Additionally if you didn’t know, women in Korea have historically been at higher risk of suicide than men are due to the very patriarchal culture in place in addition to the entrance of women into the workplace adding additional labor unto their already existing plate.
https://www.hani.co.kr/arti/society/society_general/969898.html#cb
Women: “JFC can you just leave us the fuck alone”
Men would rather blame women for their mental health than get therapy.
When I was on
, I’d argue every day with the “Men’s Rights Activists” on the circumcision subreddits. It would range from dishonest shit like “most doctors doing circumcision are women” to really unfair attacks like “why aren’t feminists protesting about male suicide” (answer: because MRAs are fucking assholes and feminists have their own problems). In the end, it was those guys that drove me out of Reddit for good.I was just super embarrassed, because any normal person would see their conversations and think that anti-circumcision people were massive turds.
I don’t get that one about protesting. Why aren’t MEN protesting about male suicide rates? I’ve never even heard of one protest in regards to it.
It reminds me of the line racists use about the black community. “Why don’t black people do anything about black on black violence?” And that one is easy because… they have and are. They protest. They form community action groups. They pressure local governments. They speak out. There is so much movement in black communities across America to address poverty, violence, education and more. White people just don’t see it or hear about it because the media does not care and does not show their efforts but it is there.
Never identified as an MRA but, having dipped my toe into the waters on that shit a bit, straight up I honestly genuinely unironically think they don’t actually give a shit about male suicide rates or “men” in general at all. They are for one reason or another as a whole: deeply selfish bitter reactionary people who don’t care about community and they are basically cosplaying like they have one.
And really that isn’t surprising because the truth is that if you actually ARE serious about digging into and addressing any of the grievances they claim to be concerned with you will actually start to realize that essentially ALL of them are symptoms of cis white male patriarchy under capitalism. Take family court for example. Half of MRAs probably think there’s some kind of feminist cabal out to persecute fathers but the degree to which family court favors mothers (if at all) is the result of: 1: Old crusty white male judges who decided centuries ago that a woman’s role is to be nurturer and a father’s role is to work a job. 2: The reality that men are in general not conditioned to build and maintain support networks through friends and family which in turn makes the logistics of childcare more difficult.
When I was on stormfront I’d argue every day with the “Men’s Rights Activists” on the circumcision subreddits.
New tagline dropped
Leave it to men on reddit to pivot the conversation from “why circumcision is bad” to “evil women think circumcisions aren’t enough!”
Laughable fuckheads.
critical support to South Korean women in their war against South Korean men
uncritical support to South Korean women in their war against South Korean men
South Korean incels are on another level of misogyny, partially brought on by a historical tradition of patriarchy combined with rapidly moving women into the work force.
Women in South Korea are generally far more progressive as a consequence, and men have not been able to keep up with this as a whole. Instead, they are even more reactionary, it’s a magnified version of what exists in countries like America.
Councillor Kim, from the Democratic Party, arrived at his assessment when analysing data on the number of suicide attempts made at bridges along Seoul’s Han river.
Touche for a Democrat to use pseudoscience to promote bigotry.
It’s everybody’s faults except capitalism.
모태솔로 hell joseon
Kim Jong Un, my people yearn for freedom from {insert perpetual condition of the Adam Friedland show’s predecessor} of Hell Joseon…
At least, pls send us a nuke on our land and ye shall take away our suffering…
- Love, Mr. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar
Maybe don’t create a society that treats women like trash, normalizes workplace SA, has workers grinding themselves to death for their bosses, and also fires people if they don’t exhibit acceptable workplace alcoholism (being coerced to go a drink every night with your bosses for a chance to moving up the corporate ladder).
incels killing themselves is good lol
Death to America
