"But lost in the hand wringing was Donald Trump’s usual bombastic litany of lies, hyperbole, bigotry, ignorance, and fear mongering. His performance demonstrated once again that he is a danger to democracy and unfit for office.”
“In fact, the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.”
Biden stuttered and is old.
Neither disqualifies him for the presidency
B-B-But the raspy voice!!
If it leads that way, this meme is real. Now I’ll remember this moment forever.
This is not fair description of his debate performance. He didn’t stutter, he crashed like an old computer trying to keep 50 chrome tabs running and then barely dragged himself out of it with incoherent nonsense like “we beat Medicare.”
It doesn’t disqualify him, it just lowers the bar for Trump.
This is the real takeaway. We’ve reached a point where we’re not even sure either one can stay awake during important meetings.
See? Shoulda went with Bernie Sanders. He may be just as old, but he’s too angry to rest. He sees the injustices of the world, and he’s been barking about them since the 60s. Getting arrested for his causes.
I’m not saying Biden isn’t sincere, but Sanders is so sincere that he’s passionately angry at the system. The only thing that disqualifies him in my eyes is his age…but fuck, if these are our only other two options, it’s not much of a disqualification, is it? Biden gets confused halfway through his thought process that he moves over to another thought process midsentence. And Trump doesn’t even start the sentence with a coherent thought process.
So…uhhhh…guess we’re all just fucked?
Important meetings? During his presidency, Trump skipped most of his daily intelligence briefings.
Forget staying awake, Trump doesn’t even show up.
He’s old, it was his bedtime and instead we asked him to go to a debate. He did just fine, and there was nothing incoherent about it. Even trump was coherent, he just lied and kept saying how everything he did and was involved in was the greatest thing to ever be done ever, which made him look psycho (which he is)
Seriously. Unlike Trump, who spent his entire Presidency ranting on Twitter all night and golfing all day… Biden probably goes to bed early both because he’s old and because he spends his days actually doing his job. The debate performance was disappointing, I get it. But the media acting like he’s being
Weekend at Bernie’sDianne Feinstein’d around D.C. is ridiculous. It sucks that this is where we’re at as a country… but “old guy” vs. “old guy who wants a fascist dictatorship” should not be a fucking struggle for voters.I think the struggle for voters is wondering why we don’t just hand the keys to country back to england. I mean seriously…THIS is the best we got??? Lets check in on English politics, shall we?
reads about Englands July 4th election
Well fuck…
Yeah, that’s what we want: A guy who couldn’t handle waking up in an emergency. /s
Face it libs, he looked like he was ready to croak. And I fucking HATE Donald Trump. But you are pulling another notorious RBG if you think keeping Biden in the race is good for the country. Instead, it’s just becoming easy to see who the neolib shills really are; they’re the only ones desperate enough to defend this.
For real put in literally anyone else and you can beat Trump. Fucking literally ANYONE.
As I said:
Holy crap how can you say things like this and think it’s supporting him? The presidency isn’t something that just pauses for bedtime and campaigning involves a lot of being “on” over and over again, sometimes at night.
He really didn’t from what I saw, it was awful.
There was nothing incoherent about it? Did you watch the debate? I’ll vote for the man but he was horrible in the debate.
I watched the first 30 minutes of it yes. It’s obvious he’s old, but he was coherent. Saying otherwise is disingenuous.
I would argue saying he was coherent is disingenuous personally. He was struggling to get basic thoughts out of his mouth.
“Nothing incoherent about it”
“Abortion rights are good! Why don’t you talk about all the immigrants killing our pregnant women why don’t you talk about that?”
Trump: “I will do exactly that, thank you”.
He should have tried having an h2o
I only watched 30 minutes of the debate, but what I saw was not as bad as that. He got a couple zingers off, had some good points, rattled off some stats, seemed annoyed at Trump lying over and over and did stutter, and looked like he had a headache.
I’ll bet you that if he was on his A game, everyone would have been yelling performance enhancement drugs!
So yeah, calling for him to resign because he struggled to deal with a bunch of shitty js websites, full of ads, and several mining crypto in the background, while leaking memory… Seems like caving into republican talking points way too easily…
Yeah I also watched a 30 minute highlight video because since Trump has been involved I’ve found watching the whole thing to be intolerable. I am totally open to anybody showing me “high points” for Biden that maybe CNN skipped over in their condensed version.
Lol please share. “Morals of an alleycat”? (or whatever the exact quote is)
As for the rest, I agree that obviously for general factual content Biden even on his deathbed will beat Trump. However it was undermined by the errors, e.g. getting the price of insulin wrong and millions/billions mixed up more than once. That is the problem.
Almost certainly. But he wasn’t so it’s not really the point here.
You know what they say about stopped clocks. They will always have this shit to say about Biden, absolutely. So why have I (and many others, NYT included) all of a sudden “caved into” republican talking points after ignoring or arguing against them until now?
Honestly to me the more interesting “talking points” at the minute are from some democrats, who after (assumedly) reacting in horror with the rest of us after the debate, have latched onto the “He had a cold” excuse that they came out with and tried to pass the whole thing off as a “stutter” issue.
I think people can see the difference between a stutter and whatever the hell happened at the debate. He wasn’t stuttering, he was freezing up and getting sentences jumbled up. He was not capable of having a coherent debate, and the only saving grace is that Trump isn’t either (different reasons, but still).
So I find it a little strange how people are talking about his performance, now. We all know what we watched, and that is why everybody freaked the fuck out straight afterwards. Trying to gaslight everyone is not a productive or helpful strategy. (Not you necessarily, by the way, just “the discourse” in general. I would like to see any examples you have of what you’re saying)
He has even said he is slowing down and can’t debate as well as used to. This doesn’t technically disqualify him, but it should be a huge red flag that he isn’t and wasn’t the best candidate. That’s the real problem.
oh, no disagreement here-- but it’s either Biden or Cheeto Mussolini.
i’m glad you’re not choosing that latter!
Oh I know. I live in a swing state, so I have to plug my nose and vote.
I’m against Biden but I’ll vote for him if I have to. He should absolutely drop out of the race. He’s going to RBG us.
If Pres Biden ends up resigning during his administration, early or late, almost anyone else in the country is still a better replacement than Mr Trump. Actual mobsters may be better at running the country than Mr Trump.
It doesn’t even matter all that much in the case of the Democratic party. Any Democratic president would ultimately follow the platform of the party, and you can see that by the fact that Biden’s agenda has been a lot more progressive than most expected, but makes sense since the party has become more progressive in recent years.
It doesn’t apply as much with Trump because he’s a wannabe dictator and there’s a huge cult of personality behind him. He can do whatever he wants and the Republican party will follow, because they’ll be kicked out of the party if they protest in the slightest.
Unfortunately the question isn’t whether to fire him, but if he can win an election appearing as a sickly confused old man.
He spit in the face of an energized lefty base, so he is gambling the future of the country on low information Pennsylvanian voters in a popularity contest.
If you can’t stay on topic in a stressful situation then yeah, there might be a fucking problem. A Stutter is fine. Switching topics completely is not a stutter.
you mean when he kept responding to Trump’s tirade of lies? THAT was all over the place, so it makes sense that Biden would have to cover a lot of ground.
I wish. But no. No it was his own answers to the moderator.
You must not have watched the same presidential debate I did.
Are we going to construct fantasy narratives like the GOP does? I thought that was solely a GOP thing but I guess not.
Trumps a better speaker but he’s been eating Mickey D’s for the last 65 years, an age difference of 3 years is not a huge advantage.
he may hove spoken more clearly, but - by no means - is he a better speaker. he spent the entire debate incoherently spewing his unhinged conspiracy theories and lie after lie.
You don’t have to tell the truth to speak well, nor would it be difficult to beat Biden’s lyrical performance.