Yeah, but in federated social media you can just pack up and set up a new instance.
You won’t ever need to leave the whole thing behind to disconnect from corporate BS.
My concerns the product advertisers attempting to sneak in, bragging or something. It felt rampant on Reddit, so it’s probably left me wary. 😣
And if that happens, you can bet your ass there will one day be instance-wide ad-block that auto-blocks users/instances known for posting ads.
If that becomes a thing, there will be instances that explicitly filter it out.
The problem is its hard to tell what’s an ad and what’s not. Sometimes people ARE just enthusiastic about a product they found and want to share it.
It’s easier when it’s a large company like Burger King or something; like most people won’t just suddenly start raving about this great new burger place they found called Burger King. It’s different for more obscure companies. It could be actual Lemmy users who are just passionate or it could be company employees trying to sneak advertisements into site discussions.
I don’t think there’s any AI or other tools that could distinguish the two.
That’s exactly right, NorSteve_
That’s why I like to start my day with a Whopper and side of onion rings from my favourite local burger joint, Burger King. It supports the community and I get a dank feed while I scroll through Lemmy’s dank memes.
Don’t forget to try the new Whopper melt. Add bacon for $.50 more, or make it spicy with another $1.00. Can’t fight climate change on an empty stomach.
I hate you both lol
Teal ‘c would be proud.
I am one of these people, am a dope smoker and recently got into related Lemmy communities. There’s a lot of equipment that you dont hear about until through word of mouth so when I find something I LOVE through word of mouth like the arizer air max or brilliant cut grinder I do my part to scream their praises from the heavens so other smokers have a chance to hear about them.
Double edge sword. “This guy is shilling” reports go rampant .
Hopefully, the Reddit bot trackers peeps will move to lemmy, and lend us their wisdom.
I learnt so many ways realise a poster or commenter was a bit from those peeps. Amazing MVPs!
And folks like kitboga taught me that spammers/scammers generally stick to a script.It’s gonna be an arms race! Hopefully we win!
That’s why I started my own instance, I got the freedom to pick and choose what instances I allow, so if any corporation decides to join the fediverse I don’t have to wait for the admin to defedederate.
Just make sure if you’re using it as a personal instance to make it so no one but the admin can make communities and restrict your sign ups so your instance can’t get taken over by nutjobs.
I wouldn’t mind some of the “normies” joining. I’m a programmer too, and while the programmer/Linux jokes get a little bit of a chuckle out of me I wouldn’t mind some other stuff.
Here I am!
Rock you like a hurricane!
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I really hope it works out as smoothly as this, it feels like advertising sneaks it’s way in somehow though. 😣
It’s not and I’m Lovin’ It. The Fediverse I mean. Want to defederate from corporate ads? Just Do It. Have It Your Way and Make Every Second Count.
Really, you just need to Think Different.
Where is c/angryupvote
This is the most beautifully crafted comment I’ve read all day. Bravo!
I haven’t seen any ads thus far on lemmy and it’s pretty great.
My man, have you met our lord and saviour hypnotoad?
⚡️😵💫⚡️
I’m more worried about the advertisers sneaking in through “bragging” about products, like Reddit saw. 😣
Bragging? I’m not familiar with this. What does that mean in terms of advertising?
It’s a form of guerrilla advertising where they play on FOMO and try to make people jealous of someone who is “loving” the product. It’s one of the harder forms of shilling to detect because it can sound just like a regular person who actually does enjoy a specific product.
Exactly this. It’s made me a pessimist online, and offline.
I’ll admiit, bragging wasn’t the right word, but I meant all the PR teams the enshittify social media like fleas, by pretending to be a run of the mill user, attempting to build hype.
Oh I get what you mean.
Yeah I tried to google what a good free VPN was and all the Reddit posts were OBVIOUS plants by VPNs that wanted you to pay for them.
I found a free one eventually but Reddit was no help.
Exactly, with SEO it’s like wading through a septic tank these days.
So all the Sync posts aren’t ads in disguise?
Yeah that’s what I was thinking. I haven’t seen a pop up or a banner ad; but I’ve seen plenty of ads in the form of a creator trying to sell their creation and other shill stuff. Not nearly as often as on Reddit, but it’s not something you can escape from on social media.
I’m fine with that. I just don’t want to be reminded that hellofresh exists every five minutes.
I don’t know what a sync post is either man haha
Corporations are coming, it’s inevitable, but at least this time we won’t have to deplatform ourselves to have a sensible discussion.
Someone will try and justify corporate investments. And once they get in, they will infest. They ALWAYS play the long game.
I agree that they will deliberately try to infiltrate, but corporations are notorious for never playing the long game.
That is why lemmy is decentralized, no one can buy every single instance. and even when a corporation buys the codebase of lemmy, another person can come in and create their own platform that is still compatible
Are there any corporations on Mastodon? The most popular part of the Fediverse.
Yeah there is, governments too. It’s not super widespread but they do have a presence.
Due to how federation and anti-viral Mastodon is though, they can’t hijack trends and stuff so a lot will most likely never come.
It’s certainly starting to show that some people with views who wasn’t here before are starting to arrive. Like people openly trolling, making racist and confrontational comments. Feels pretty bad, it was such a nice haven here.
Control measures are inevitable, like account length requirements, etc. I don’t see any way around that to have a usable usergenerated site. A lot of the previous reddit alternatives were full of racism because of who reddit pissed off on the site, but people like that need an audience and they don’t generate good content. The nerds who do always have to deal with trolls.
I hope it will be manageable. Heavy moderation is very time- and energy consuming and the people behind the instances today are already under big pressure to keep things in order.
Yup. Maybe sharing ban lists between some instances might help, along with some system of ensuring one person can’t easily create many accounts at once. Otherwise they can just create new ones easily. There needs to be a hurdle when creating many accounts at once.
(Recording IP used during creation, maybe? Then you could see other accounts created at a similar time using that IP and take a look at those too)
But the real question is…
Which came first, the internet or the troll?
They grew together. Look up the origins of “spam” in university Nets.
Can we stop the gatekeeping and that normie bs, plz ffs
The gatekeeping is especially ironic (or maybe just hypocritical) because they didn’t use this meme template properly, lol. You know, like a “normie”.
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“layman”
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Great. Now I’m worried I’m a normie and not the “Manifest Destiny” nerd I have been trying to be.
/s
Seriously though, from the comments, it’s seems like the corporate rats gaining ground in places that are federated is going to be a lot harder, and more user resilient.
I read a comment earlier somewhere that at least they hadn’t seen anyone use /s yet.
…yet.
controversial opinion; I think lots of companies should host lemmy instances for their own support forums.
I think that news organisations should create their own distribution instances. The BBC has started to set up their own Mastodon server. I would definitely prefer to be able to create my own news feed, direct from source, and selected for greater criteria than how many rage clicks a headline is likely to garner.
Not controversial at all.
There are considerations.
Corporate instances affecting public opinion.
Corporate opinion silencing/moderating public opinion.
All that, and user moderation as well.A company may not like legitimate dissenters, but it might be in the public interest…
Unmoderated, it might turn into a cesspool.
So, who moderates it? AI/AutoMod? And how? What algo? Does that retroactively apply on updates?This happens on actual company forums. Yes.
So, we need 2 lemmy communities per company? Their one, and a public one? What if the public one is being unfair? Who knows about that?It’s tough!
Oh no, do you even lemmy, bro? That’s reddit talk /s
Different version:
Only nerds with the worst opinions migrate
Only nerds with the worst opinions migrate
This is called enshittification, and happens to all platforms.
At least this platform has some sort of natural resistance against enshittification, given that no one party can completely dominate the platform without immediately getting squashed by the collective.
One time we thought that Google was a cool startup head on against corporate giant Microsoft 😔
I hate the word normie (ususally used by incels and the like)
ok normie
I guess it’s easy to think that way if you’re new to online communities.
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ok normie
I dont think you know how this meme works
Don’t kid yourself. Its us that fuck it all up. We love getting fleeced by the simplest of content creators. We will walk in every single thing we hate about other sites into this site just because someone entertains us.
Soon as they got our attention, they’ll monetize our it and everything will go to shit.
Its forbidden to talk shit about content creators, they make content and content is king.
On the internet, Creative people are the guys in suits. They’ll do whatever they can to turn your every waking minute into a 24/7 commercial
But because it’s federated, we can secede at anytime. It’s a fool proof system like the united states.
