Of course, that’s to be expected, with people migrating from Reddit and all, but the title is kind of badly worded.

Feel there’s a lot more argumentative and just kind of… angry users on here. (have you seen Sync fans biting everyone’s asses over saying money should be spent funding instances and not an app?)

Live laugh love Lemmy though :)

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          I’ve just blocked them all. Just the clickbaity titles gets me annoyed. Let alone the comments.

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            Literally my socialism subreddit some people randomly dowmvote my stuff for no reason, it makes me upset honestly because they don’t even comment why

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        I had the impression reddit was overall less toxic compared to other social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter. I always thought that it was the “community” aspect of reddit responsible for this. People want to belong to a community and are generally less toxic towards fellow community members.

        Maybe I was lucky in my community selection?

        That said, I’m happy to be here instead of reddit… It certainly feels a lot more welcoming!

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          Maybe I was lucky in my community selection?

          It absolutely depends on the communities in question. I’ve been an active member of the ‘Breath of the Wild’ sub for years and even tho there was of course still the occasional troll / bot, the sub as a whole was positively wholesome. At the same time I occasionally posted in a Pokémon-related sub of similar size, and even simple, innocent questions were mass-downvoted, insults thrown left and right for the most basic and irrelevant reasons, and they had so many scammers that they needed to keep a list of “trustworthy users” for online trades.

          I will not directly link examples to avoid giving reddit free traffic, but one particularily striking example were posts made by people who didn’t like the games in question:

          • “I don’t really like BotW”

          Topmost answer: “That’s okay. Keep in mind that BotW is very different from former Zelda games and the new formula isn’t everone’s cup of tea. If it is [XYZ] that bothers you, there are these in-game solutions to make your life easier: (listed those things) …and if you are looking for a more Zelda-esque experience, there are these games: (list with alternatives and explanations about how they’re different plus the pros and cons of those games)”

          • “I don’t really like Pokémon Sword/Shield”

          Topmost answer: “Get fucked”


          PS: Sadly that sub went down the drain in the meantime as the “wholesome” people seem to have left and what remains of the former community are the trolls, bots and jerks. It honestly saddens me a bit, but at the same time I’m glad that I jumped ship before it happened.

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            Zelda is a game where you help others through your courage and the kindness in your heart and save the world. Pokemon is a game where you command a small army of nonsentient creatures to fight and be injured for you so you can call yourself the best. Of course one of those games is going to have a more toxic community.

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              You know, that’s actually a fair point. Especially since one of them also heavily relies on online competitions against the rest of the world, where you need to be as aggressive and brutal as possible to even survive the first few rounds. That is bound to promote and reward a specific mindset over time …

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                It’s the same reason why the community for Undertale, the game where the moral is that children who are beaten shouldn’t hit back, is full of pedos

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        Definitely way less toxic. Even though I’m still mostly a lurker, I’m at ease to stop and make comments without feeling that usual Reddit pressure.

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      Agreed. Also a Reddit migrant, and I feel like even if it’s changed here since our mini exodus (which I believe), I’m still finding it much more pleasant than Reddit.

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      You may already be comfortable with another app or the web version of Lemmy, but I recommend ‘Connect for Lemmy’ if you’re looking for instance blocking. It allows you to block instances as a user.

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          Ah, you’re right, Connect is just for Android. Though I do remember hearing of an iOS Lemmy app that could block instances at a user level, but I’m sorry to say I don’t remember the name.

          That being said, I fully agree with you on relying on instance admins to defederate / block instances. I prefer to have the agency to choose for myself what gets blocked / not blocked. Though I can’t complain about my instance’s decisions so far, thankfully.

          I hope you find something that works for you.

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        When you block an instance on kbin does that mean users from that instance don’t see your content at all when logged into that instance? That’s something I’ve wanted in case in the future some instances federate with Meta, so I don’t provide content for Meta users to see or interact with so they need to log out of Meta or sign up for another instance to view content.

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          I don’t think so, it just prevents you from seeing that instance’s content including their comments on your posts but not anything else

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            I think once that becomes a possibility it’ll make defederation unnecessary. Especially when it comes to Meta, since that’s really become the thing I’ve become more concerned about in the future than squabbles between currently existing instances.

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      Connect and I believe Thunder can block entire instances as well as specific communities and users

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      I’ve tried not to block instances (or communities for that matter), because you never know what good communities may appear there at a later date. Instead I generally stick to viewing only my subscribed communities, while occasionally venturing out into Everything to see if there’s anything good I’ve missed.

      I guess it’s like using Reddit front page vs using /r/all. I never liked /r/all, so doing it this way is much closer to my Reddit experience.

      I guess the good thing is we can all tailor our experiences as we prefer :-)

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          it does seem to me that the people that whinge about bubbles are mostly people espousing reprehensible opinions, while ironically being most aligned with the people in the deepest conservative bubbles.

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          I’m not agreeing with the above, but it’s nuanced. Content curation is a sliding scale that can create an echo chamber if one becomes too insular. On the internet especially where discourse can be inflammatory, avoiding some topics can shut you off from entire ideas that may otherwise be benign.

          IMO create the experience you want, but build resilience and test your limits often. It’s healthier for yourself and the internet as a community.

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            I’m very much in agreement with you. I think there’s an important value in seeking out those you disagree with. If your values can’t stand under scrutiny then you really do need to carefully consider them.

            At the same time there’s space between what you disagree with and what is harmful to your state of mind for most people. Plenty of people don’t want to see anything NSFW and removing that is in no way turning their experience into a bubble.

            Nuance is absolutely an important word here but I think the knee jerk isolation response to mention of blocking things is far more harmful than helpful.

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    This isn’t a Reddit problem, it’s a human problem. The more people who join, the more trolls, edge lords, and just plain assholes will show their ugly heads. Instead of lamenting the “Reddit like” nature and jumping ship, I’d say just work on tailoring your experience. Stop browsing All, subscribe to the communities you enjoy, and block or ignore the instances and people you don’t want to see. We have the ability to tailor this experience to our liking, it just takes a bit of effort. And above all, just keep being positive and encouraging to others and that will spread around.

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      How dare they! Everyone must arrive completely free of bias and judgement, nice, and open-minded.

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        It’s an unattainable ideal yes. But it’s okay to lament the decline in behavior as a social web service grows. Perhaps as a reminder to everyone to try to be better.

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    Feel there’s a lot more argumentative and just kind of… angry users on here. (have you seen Sync fans biting everyone’s asses over saying money should be spent funding instances and not an app?)

    Just on that particular point, part of the problem is the range of quite-to-extremely hostile comments towards the dev.

    Those of us who’ve used Sync for years know (as well can be known, at least) that the guy is solid and trustworthy - and the way some people have been talking about him and his motives is both unfair and inaccurate. It’s natural that there’s going to be pushback on that sort of thing.

    Which isn’t to say that the prices can’t be queried or criticised of course, I was slightly surprised myself initially (although given how much I’ve used Sync over the years for very little outlay, it doesn’t bother me as much).

    But when it goes beyond questioning the prices, and moves into unfounded criticism of his character and integrity, that’s too much IMO.

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    Well, have you seen FOSS fans biting everyone’s asses over saying user experience is important and labor should be paid? Yeah, people getting their preferences called out and ridiculed usually causes that. It’s like getting into a small subreddit and stirring shit by saying that their collective opinion is wrong.

    Before the great Reddit exodus, Lemmy was just an echo chamber for a small subset of like-minded people. Now you get Reddit Lite. Enjoy it!!

    (This comment, brought to you by Sync Ultra. [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅$̲̅] )

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    In my experience, this has always been a problem after a forum grows beyond a certain size. It’s not really a Reddit-exclusive thing. It’s also not related to karma/reputation-tracking, IMO.

    Early adopters of a small, somewhat empty community are people who want to grow the community and encourage posting. Discussion is bright and careful in certain ways because it’s usually just a few commenters interacting with each other who all want the same thing.

    Once a community grows big enough to support lurkers and a variety of topics, with multifaceted discussion happening naturally, you have a familiar effect happen: you know how people are disproportionately more likely to review a product or business if they had a negative experience than a positive one? Well, in a similar way, when there’s enough content to lurk (and not be one of the early enthusiasts who post in spite of a lack of content, as a duty to help the community grow), then lurkers are more likely to come out of the woodwork and join a discussion when they see something they disagree with or feel strongly about.

    Honestly, though, it has a few silver linings. I grew up learning a lot from arguments online in various places. Sometimes they are handled well and sometimes they are handled poorly by the participants. Learn from both. It’s great to see two sides of an issue, even a petty one. It can teach you a ton about how to behave well, how to actually persuade someone on a topic, and how to avoid conflict in the first place. It can also teach you about a controversial topic you knew little about, and spark your curiosity to learn more (if only to refute something with citations) and sometimes change your opinion altogether.

    The healthy/toxic dichotomy starts in your own mind. You can’t control others, but you can control yourself. So find those little positive nuggets where you can.

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      Us old greybeards remember this as “Eternal September”,.when AOL users were let off the leash.

      Definitelynot a Reddit problem this is humanity at its core.

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        This is Barbara Striesand.

        As older lemmy users try to reject the reddit influence, it will become the modus operandi.

        Ever raised a kid? 😁

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      Well said, I do hate to see discord between users, but what is a forum if everyone has one mind and there’s no discussion to be had. Civility is key to open people’s minds to your own view. And yours to theirs.

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    Yes. Politically militant people are becoming more common. This time last month people seemed to have been much more agreeable even if they didn’t agree with you.

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    I noticed it when going outside my subscribed feed shifted from being kind of nerdy tech and games topics to being more flooded with memes and a whole lot of politics and news. Not that there’s anything wrong with those communities. It’s just not what I’m interested in, and with that type of content starting to dominate and making it harder to find new communities I’m interested in I started blocking a bunch of communities again. Especially when communities like against____spam started popping up, since those spam the most content about ____.

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    There’s a lot of people saying

    “Can we not do that reddit thing here?”

    Like it or hate it, reddit is a monolithic cultural icon. The things you think are “reddit” things are part of one of the most popular internet cultures of all time.

    Have you not heard of Barbara Streisand? As reddit fractures, it’s culture will bleed into every corner of the web their users occupy.

    You will not contain a culture with your opinions or words. Your options are:

    Accept it. Bite your tongue. Downvote. Don’t engage.

    Or

    Be miserable.

    For the love of God, stop complaining about it and trying to control it. Barbra Streisand.

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      This is sad and defeatist

      Sure people will do people things but we have a chance to make communities that don’t put up with that kind of bullshit, and we should

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    I have noticed an uptick in trolling in the past few weeks, since around the same time as the attacks began. They usually delete if you call them out.

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      I’ve started using the block button liberally. Specifically on users that seem to be only interested in stirring the pot and not actually interested in having any kind of actual discussion. I also just blocked a weird influx of porn bots linking the strangest domains on !random@kbin.social that were all created yesterday

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        I rarely blocked people on reddit but the pool is much smaller here so you tend to run into the same troll repeatedly or they spam throughout ansingle thread

        Ive taken to just reporting and blocking left and right because i dont have the mental bandwidth to spend on someone who is looking for fights and not legitimate arguments

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          Oh my Reddit blocklist was huge. There was a subreddit for my city I was fairly active in but it was just always littered with unabashed racists that I would block all the time, they would get banned, they would make a new account to keep being racist, I would block again.

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            I felt like local communities were disappointing for the most part, since I’d expect it to be people talking about interesting activities or events happening where they lived. But, majority of the content seemed to be filled with break ins or murder news and complaining about how trash everything is. Occasionally some useful threads about where to find ___ in the city or what services people recommend for ___, but that seemed to be the rate exceptions. So not something you really visited or subscribed to unless I had a specific local question to ask.

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        I noticed the botspam too. I submitted a report, but I have no idea where it goes. lol Someone else said it was loaded with malware though. I didn’t click on any of it to find out, personally. Better safe than sorry.

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          I saw on another thread that reports are sent to both your instance’s administrators/moderators and the reported person’s instance administrators/moderators

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        How DO you block people on Lemmy anyhow? I can’t seem to find the button for it, I just seem to be able to block subs as a whole.

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          I use the mobile web client and it’s just in the 3 dots menu on a comment/post to report and to block. By memory it’s the same on the desktop web client too

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            Ah, see - that’s not on old.lemmy for some reason. I guess I gotta use the ‘normal’ interface to access it.

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    I love the idea and spirit of Lemmy, I think decentralized and federated networks show a ton of promise…

    However my experiences so far trying to engage in intelligent discussion/debate on Lemmy have been far more combative and frankly mean than I can ever recall on even the most “passionate” subreddits I participated in.

    I think it’s a cross-section of the kinds of people who are enthusiastic about federated networks, and people who are knowledgeable enough to be early adopters here. But I’ll be honest, it has definitely cooled my interest in participating in discussion on Lemmy instances.

    I don’t appreciate being called names or being accused of being a bad faith actor simply because I’m asking questions or challenging a viewpoint, and that seems to be the outcome of nearly every interaction here.

    It doesn’t do any favors for changing the perception that Lemmy (and other federated platforms like Mastodon) are populated by terminally online keyboard warriors.

    There’s a distinct feeling that if you support or even just use “traditional” (non-federated) platforms, or otherwise are not fully committed to 100% decentralization or open source, you are the enemy here.

    I don’t want to go back to Reddit, and I won’t because of the absolutely abhorrent things their leadership has done and continues to do, but Lemmy users in my experience are overwhelmingly hostile and it sucks.

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      Maybe you are in the wrong instance , or community… Though I do acknowledge that people are super foss and decentralized avengers here. And also there are a large number of anti corporation and anti capitalists inhabiting lemmy. But mostly I’ve found people have been civil, the ones that I have encountered.

      Anyway there’s always the block and report button for those special kind of internet people who I can consider as not in my interest to have another encounter again.

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      This almost perfectly mirrors my experience here. Overwhelming hostility and immediate jump to accusations of trolling, or being a ‘bad actor’ in some other way.