• wsweg@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Really? You mean when people in rural areas had to stay overnight if they went to town for supplies because the trip there took so long? And that’s before a century of planning around the convenience of cars.

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      1 year ago

      Yeah, I mean then. Some people got used to driving their SUV 200km into town to get a haircut and buy out of season fruit every saturday. And that lifestyle relies on unsustainable and dangerous technologies that we can’t afford to keep running. It was never going to be permanent. If you want metropolitan conveniences, you’re going to have to live in a metropolitan area. This isn’t difficult logic.

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        1 year ago

        Let’s say you need a plumber to come fix a leak. How does he get his tools and supplies there? On his mule and cart?

        For this example I’ll use the US average commute of 27.6 miles (44.4 km) one way. Based on what I looked up, a donkey pulling a cart is ~4.5 mp/h (7.2 km/h). That’s 12 hours of travel time there and back. Help me understand how this is reasonable.

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            1 year ago

            No, most traffic isn’t. A large portion of the population would be just as well off if they used public transport. However, there’s also a portion that the complete banning of road vehicles would be extremely detrimental to their livelihoods.

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          1 year ago

          He loads up his hand cart with his tools, he walks 500m to the train station, he travels 43.4 km on the train, and then he walks 500m to my house.

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            1 year ago

            Where’s all this rail infrastructure coming from? If cars are banned it will take exponentially longer to complete. What does the population do in the meantime?

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              1 year ago

              I think 5 years is a reasonable span of time to transition out of cars if it’s our top priority and we put all our resources into a green new deal.

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              1 year ago

              That is a very vague term and I don’t think my job fits neatly into blue collar or white collar. If you’re asking whether I do hands on work at jobsites, the answer is yes.

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          1 year ago

          Again, sufficiency and resilience. If you live in a rural space, you learn to fix shit yourself. Famously: tractors.

          If you believe that rural just means “own a house in a village or next to a town”, that’s not it, that’s tourism. That’s like owning a cabin in the woods or like the car-dependent suburbia. What makes you a rural dweller is participation in the rural economy or subsistence living. If you live like a guest, you are a guest.

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            1 year ago

            Based on your replies to my comments, I agree with you a lot. I haven’t been saying that we shouldn’t transition away from car-focused infrastructure and living. Rather, OP’s pipe-dream of banning cars and solving the infrastructure/living issue in 5 years is ridiculous.

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      1 year ago

      Yeah, you “went into town/city” rarely. Rural life meant a lot of local sufficiency.

      Commuting was not a thing. Only trains started to make that an option.