Switch to Linux!
From Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1as1yjk/microsoft_in_their_infinite_wisdom_has_replaced/
Switch to Linux!
From Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1as1yjk/microsoft_in_their_infinite_wisdom_has_replaced/
Just once I would love to open one of these threads without seeing people shitting… on Linux.
Linux is not even the one doing anything wrong but people gotta rag on whoever recommends it as an alternative. This is getting more annoying than however annoying they say Linux users are.
edit: Just to make clear because some folks aren’t getting it, this is not an invitation to argue about how you feel about Linux and Linux users. I. don’t. fucking. care. I don’t even use Linux. Take it to someone who cares.
As is everyone taking every possible opportunity to mention Linux. It’s not like we don’t know it exists, we don’t need constantly reminding that it’s an option.
Although it isn’t an option for a vast number of reasons, but mostly because corporate IT requires systems that run only on Windows. Therefore the only solution is Windows so the fact another operating system exists is utterly irrelevant and yet somehow you guys constantly keep mentioning it. Then we constantly have to point out that lots and lots of programs don’t run on Linux and then you will inhibitively start going on about Wine. It’s tiring. I would love it if we could have a conversation about Microsoft without having to pretend that other operating systems are viable alternatives.
If Linux is not for you that’s understandable. The thing here is that they are not having a conversation about Microsoft. They are having the pettiest, least technical possible discussion about Linux, it’s devolving to pure clique shit talking.
If you want to talk about Microsoft, just talk about Microsoft.
Problem is, whenever you try taking about Microsoft, someone just has to interject and be like “yeah you should be using Linux instead”
I’d just like to interject for a moment…
And whenever someone mentions Linux, we have to take up 75% of the thread responding to it.
That’s actually hilarious.
Then stop talking about Microsoft
/s
Or how about
I keep telling Linux is still not for common home use for users who are in between power users and people only using it for browsing. This will get me downvotes here on Lemmy all the time . Linux edge lords are their own bubble.
For point 2, that is true and improving. Always do some research about program compatibility before completely changing your computer’s OS.
For point 3. Programs are generally installed in
/usr/binand~/.var/appfor Flatpaks (analogous to MS Store). Much easier than finding where MS store apps are installed.Never come across point 4, so I can’t dismiss it.
As with 2, depends on your usecase
GNOME Disk manager (comes with Fedora and Ubuntu) has options to mount drives to arbitrary locations if needed.
I understand your argument but making points like these don’t really contribute to the discussion.
All but one of your points here appear to be your lack of understanding Linux and/or user error. Point 4 (2) is understandable due to Windows just being the default and most popular choice.
And that’s exactly the fucking point. It’s a terrible idea to tell people to switch. Cause they don’t understand it.
That’s not a very strong argument.
When you started a job, did you understand it all? When you first started using Windows, Android or iOS, did you understand it all? No you didn’t. As with anything you’ve never used or done before, you won’t understand the ins and outs or know what to do in many situations. You learn about them. I certainly didn’t know much about Linux when I started using it. In an IT environment, I had to learn. I work with Windows and Linux on a daily basis. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. I use both on my personal devices.
No. But starting a job pays me. Changing OS over a minor feature is a completely insane waste of my time. You are aware of the context of this post right??
You wanna know what my job pays me to do? Create and edit Visual Studio solutions. Checkmate atheists.
Why is micro shit even the first choice? Go ChromeOS or something cool. Smh
Because MS puts work into backwards compatibility, so the business who paid someone to write an app for them 30 years ago can still use it today on a Win11 box. No shot of that happening on macOS, who has deprecated PowerPC and 32-bit support, and Linux is just too much of a wildcard.
I rarely see that,. But what I see all the time is Linux lovers being toxic fanboys trying to shove their “passion” down everyone’s throat. Also, 99% of them being wrong about what it can “offer”.
Its a pure superiority complex fanbase.
Complaining about Linux and Linux users happens in every Windows-related thread, and you are doing it right now.
As a slight aside I am also sooo tired of people calling talking about something “shoving down our throats”. People talking about someone you don’t care for is not physically assaulting you. That expression seems to exist solely for people to wind themselves up over stuff that absolutely doesn’t justify that level of outrage.
It’s shoving down throats when Linux is brought up in every single Windows discussion. The complaints about Linux are in response to Linux users never being able to just let it lie, people aren’t just bitching in a void.
This is absolutely not people being mad for people just talking about something. I have an extremely hard time believing you truly believe that is the issue here.
There are countless places to discuss Linux without bringing it into the comments of every Windows post. Windows users are not commenting on every post in the Linux communities about how much more straightforward running Windows is.
It would be like vegan eaters commenting about how good it is to be vegan on every post in food communities that features non-vegan food.
Well maybe stop suggesting that the solution to every tiny little cosmetic inconvenience is to completely switch operating systems to one that has notoriously flakey hardware support.
I guess people downvoting you are thinking of Brother printers, AMD graphics cards and Intel WiFi cards. Sure, it’s great when you have the right hardware, but what if you don’t. I’ve banged my head against Optimus and Broadcom, until I learned to be extra picky when buying a laptop.
I would say “notoriously flakey hardware support” is a false statement these days
Nope, still true of the last time I tried Linux last year. The sound system stopped working after every reboot, and clicking the distro’s built-in update button completely trashed the system.
But it doesn’t have an AI button in the corner, so I guess that solves my problem!
Nope. And that’s the problem and why people like us tell the Linux fan boys to fuck off.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Well in my personal experience it has been rock solid
Ah yes notoriously flakey hardware support. Like Microsoft doesn’t used it to power their entire cloud platform. The hardware support argument is dying tbh used to be true about 20 years ago
Nope, still true of the last time I tried Linux last year. The sound system stopped working after every reboot, and clicking the distro’s built-in update button completely trashed the system.
But it doesn’t have an AI button in the corner, so I guess that solves my problem!
Maybe try another distro?
Also I’m curious. What distro were you testing with?
The last time I tested the waters it was with Debian, Mint, and Ubuntu. Each one had some kind of issue on my system that made me give up.
I usually check in once a year or so to see if things have improved.
These are all Debian based. Debian is notorious for using old kernels and spotty hardware support. I had similar issues trying to install Ubuntu on a new-ish PC recently. Fedora worked like a charm though.
I was tempted to try Nobara since it was a gaming pc but I was discouraged by opinions from the community telling me it was not exactly the best idea.
Next time I might go for Bluefin though. It’s based on Fedora Silverblue (immutable OS) and I’ve heard great things about it. Apparently also has GPU drivers for NVIDIA baked-in, which I need.
Sounds interesting enough to give it another shot when I have some time.
That’s really weird. What kind of hardware have you got?
It’s nothing crazy. All built within the last 3 years. I know the biggest issue is caused by having an Nvidia card. I can get the exact specs for you once I get home.
That is odd. I’ve been using NVIDIA and haven’t really had any issues apart from just installing the proprietary driver through the package manager. People like to make out that NVIDIA is really bad on Linux, but lately it’s been pretty good. My Quadro ~10 year old Quadro M2000 is still supported by the latest driver. Same cannot be said for more recent AMD APUs (looking at you Vega 10).
Maybe next time you try Linux try Fedora since it has more recent drivers, etc. Just make sure you follow the instructions to install the NVIDIA proprietary drivers from RPMFusion. https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA
Otherwise PopOS is apparently good since it bundles the NVIDIA driver with the iso. It’s just been a bit buggy in my experience.
If it helps, I’ve been running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed on my main 3D/gamedev production rig for a while. Yes, using NVIDIA too!
It’s a “rolling release”, so it’s cutting edge with supported hardware and all the software updates. It’s surprisingly stable because of the automated testing they run through.
I’ve had bad updates before, BUT, if you install your system using the BTRFS file system (default), you get something called Snapper that works similar to “Windows System Restore”. You can just roll back to a previous snapshot and either re-update or wait until things are more stable.
Nvidia has proprietary drivers for OpenSUSE as well, and since I’ve used those, I haven’t had very many problems.
The biggest issue I have is that my machine has trouble waking from suspend. It’s a tricky one to nail down, from what I understand.
Multiple monitors with different refresh rates is iffy, but I disabled “Kscreen” and have had no problems. (Don’t worry about this but wanted to mention it just in case)
KDE is pretty neat and I felt at home coming from Win10. Now I only dual boot into Win10 for occasional games. I’m not touching Win11 at all, so I’ll migrate my games over once 10 is no longer viable to hang on to.
Lastly, the community is really helpful and kind. They’ve helped me out a lot and I’ve learned a ton. Maybe I’m a nerd but I found “computing” to be a lot more fun on Linux. The biggest hazard being getting distracted cozying up your computer instead of whatever you signed on to do.
Sorry for the long post, but hope you might find it useful. :)
Maybe suggest a solution instead of a fucking entire new OS. It’s like the “just move” people.
I think the problem here is that a majority of the power to change lies in Microsoft’s hands. It’s their OS, and there’s not a whole ton we can do to halt their constant, greedy arrogance.
So, switching to Linux isn’t the easiest “solve all your problems” solution, but in the long run it simply removes a lot of stress of constantly wondering what stupidity Microsoft is going to force on you next because they “know better” and figuring out how to counter it with some hacky fix. (But also knowing no matter how hard you try, the thing is built to profit off of you.)
If somehow we could make Windows feel like it was OURS instead of THEIRS again, I’m sure people would be all for it.
‘Just switch to Linux’ isn’t a solution to a problem. It’s a tired and lazy ass response that is frankly starting to make me dislike this place.
OK well if you’re looking for the actual solution to the problem brought up in this thread… here: https://i.imgur.com/nHEcFG2r.png
When “this lemon is too sour” is the problem, maybe “here, try this orange” is the solution. Can you imagine responding like “No! People are always talking about oranges! I’m sick of it and won’t try one!” Ridiculous…
Trying an orange is a lot easier than creating a boot USB, copying all your files over to an external hard drive, installing a new OS, fixing weird things like the graphics card having crap performance or the laptop screen brightness not dimming, learning the weird 3 letter file structure, being bogged down by apt-get vs snaps vs flatpak and adding repos (why not search and download an .exe like a normal OS), realizing that your more specialized programs don’t work, etc.
Besides, it’s not just ONE person, seeming everyone says it every time a lemon has a scratch or a blemish or too many seeds. And then they dramatize it by calling it an “abusive relationship”.
Yup. I’m about over lemmy cause of this shit. Linux bros are worse than vegans.
Agreed, just glance at the linked Reddit thread and it’s refreshing how little Linux is mentioned. I’m really tired of seeing it (and related FOSS circlejerking) on every vaguely related Lemmy thread and I suspect that’s where most of the “Linux bashing” is coming from, we’re just sick of it.
“or the screen brightness not dimming”
This. Have this issue on my laptop, tried to fix it, didn’t work. Not gonna bother with Linux now when I’ve had this issue happen to me both on said laptop and my desktop
I can see the appeal in Linux and wouldn’t mind continuing to use it, but I will stick with Windows because I am more familiar with it and because I play games that can only run on it (Not saying this part to you but just in general)
I mean “Just fix Microsoft and change its direction to be less consistently hostile and disrespectful of users” is a solution…
“Put an end to the data and attention harvesting economy” is another.
…but…switching OSs was easier for me personally, until we figure out how to wrangle a tech behemoth or fix underlying problems with human civilization.
How much more practical it is to complain about users of a different system than the one the thread is about? It got to a point people are doing this preemptively even.
Just once I would love to open one of these threads without seeing people spam “USE LINOOX INSTEAD!”
But Linux can do everything that Windows can!!! :)))) /s
I love Linux, but it’s extremely annoying how many threads there are showing a mildly annoying and optional feature in Windows with 10 people replying “Use Linux!”. As if Linux doesn’t have a ridiculous number of UX problems itself.
It happens because Linux users are like vegans. They can’t shut up about it. And they don’t realize that using Linux doesn’t make them special or a member of some cool club nor does it mean that they have any friends.
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People be like:
“Hey I have a problem with my Samsung”
“Drop it and get an iPhone instead”
This is what you guys are like.
When people tell you to use Linux, they’re not telling you that to solve your immediate problem (e.g. your “show desktop” icon has been replaced with a different icon), but they are telling you to get out of your abusive relationship with Microsoft, because that is the real problem: Microsoft does not respect you, the end-user of their product, and this kind of abusive shit will keep happening for as long as you keep using Windows.