Norma Anderson, a trailblazing former GOP legislator, is among the Colorado voters who have challenged the Republican front-runner’s candidacy in a case that will be heard by the Supreme Court
Norma Anderson, a trailblazing former GOP legislator, is among the Colorado voters who have challenged the Republican front-runner’s candidacy in a case that will be heard by the Supreme Court
As the saying goes, “if there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you’ve got a table with 11 Nazis.”
What about those of us who dislike both parties, but agree with select things from each?
Like being moderate, center, mild, or a republicrat?
There’s no party that represents me. Only two groups of people whose ideas I mostly dislike, or that lack the compromise I feel would be necessary to do good.
I still don’t think every Republican is evil, same for liberals, or progressive, or Democrats.
If everyone but your group is evil, you’ll never get anywhere until you kill all the others. Sounds like Nazis to me?
What Republican things do you agree with?
The election was a fraud?
Corporations are people?
Climate change is a myth?
Women are lesser than men?
Slavery had benefits?
The rich deserve tax cuts?
Trans people need to be oppressed as do other LGBT+ people?
Foreigners are bad, especially the brown ones?
Private healthcare is the best form of healthcare?
The poor deserve to be?
Police are always to be respected no matter what (unless it’s January 6th)?
Russia is a good ally?
The elderly don’t need a break?
Hunter Biden’s existence is proof that Joe Biden needs to be impeached?
We cannot allow the Democrats to give us what we want in an election year?
Seriously, what?
I’ll play.
Ha, right. Probably not. Didn’t seem like any real evidence showed up. I compare this to the assertion that the U.S. government hid aliens from the world for the last ~70 years. That would be the only thing it ever did that well. So I’m in doubt the ‘conspiracy’ could even pull that off. In my opinion, those die hard trumper nuts are not representative of the majority of that whole party, but I can’t point to data, just my experience with other people near me.
If they are, they’re the greedy fat cat kind of people I don’t like. I don’t know anyone in the top tier of society like that. I would like to see legal protections from executives and corporations reduced, and more personal liability of corporate leaders. I’m not really sure if that’s counter to their entire parties views. If corporate abuses could be better broken down and displayed for people, maybe more rightish people would center on the topic?
I only know people who disagree with the degree of how bad things are, I don’t know any out right deniers. Again, I don’t have a feel for an entire nationwide collection of people on that one.
How and why? I’ve never heard anyone actually put this into practice or policy. If you’re blending with this abortion rights, then you have people who disagree on two different principles ( a person’s choice vs people’s believe in human life). I don’t believe in taking away people’s rights, but I also don’t like killing babies (insert giant argument about when is a person a person, blah). If I can’t have my God given right to drive drunk because it’s dangerous for other people, then I also don’t like abortion unless there’s more reasons. This is way too complicated of a topic for a text conversation, but I think it’s a main one for people thinking women don’t get the right to make medical decisions about themselves. What else is there?
Again, who and why? I’ve never heard anyone actually say this. I don’t think the vast majority of rightish people would ever think that. I’ve never met any.
I wouldn’t frame it like that. Excluding the mega wealthy and whatever that might mean to some, I get the impression most people just don’t want to be overly taxed. Again, that’s subjective, but highest tax bracket is 37% I think. That’s a lot in my opinion. “But they have so much money, it won’t affect their lives”. Yep, I agree. I just don’t think people want to be picked on if they feel they earned it. Did they, I don’t know, maybe?
I’d be curious how many right voters earn more than 100K, because I don’t think they would say they want tax cuts for ‘rich’ people. I don’t have data on this. I’m curious.
Yeah, that one’s tough. Most of the conservative people I’ve heard in real life (not the villains on TV) range from indifferent to disapproving. They don’t understand why all the noise and want people to be quiet and go away. One person’s freedom fighter is another’s terrorist on this one. I wouldn’t support policies that limit medical care, ownership, etc based on relationship status. I very much believe most conversative or rightish people that have harsh opinions of the trans issue have never met or had a real relationship with someone who struggled with identify, medal health, etc.
Ultimately, I might agree on this one that there’s probably a large portion of people who identify as some kind of right don’t have a lot of compassion for the letter communities.
That sounds like trump and bigots. Not sure about the whole. I can suggest a few ways to break that up though. There’s a serious issue with immigration policy/system. Whether it’s easy or hard is about the constraints we (government) put on it. I think rightish people want less imitation, sure. I am law and order supportive though. The border thing for some people is way more about groups of people intentionally not enforcing laws, picking an choosing. No one likes that, unless it suites them of course. It doesn’t suite the right in this case, so they don’t like it. I don’t like it. I support immigration though. My great grandparents…etc. We need politicians elected that will compromise and change the legislation. I believe we also need border security, but it’s not because I dislike ‘brown’ people.
If brown means middle-eastern, yeah, there’s some phobia there. After a few extremist things, people gonna hate, rational or not. Not rational. I wonder how opinions of middle easterner goes across all the political aspects.
Says people who have it. I’d like to see data on how many people per political party have health insurance. I’d guess people who never went without health care can’t imagine/relate.
I feel like right party people more align with open/free market ideas and believe that’s true.
Close, but no. I think that’s flipping it again. I’m guessing there’s a lower percentage of unemployed people claiming the right, based on 3 seconds of an LLM search. I assume people who’ve worked most of their lives and didn’t struggle with some kind of mental health issues or other complicating factors that kept from them decent employment don’t have compassion for people who have. They probably assume if you aren’t working and earning a living, you’re maybe lazy or made poor choices. I can see how you’d say that means they think poor people deserve it. I’m guessing they think everyone has a fair chance to succeed and just aren’t. That’s not the same as wanting people to stay gutter trash.
How many people stored the capital? I’ve seen numbers on sites ranging from 20K to 120K. I don’t know how many of them committed violence against law enforcement. one figure said there were 38 million registered republicans. I have no idea if that’s even close, doesn’t really matter if you compare that against 120K. I don’t think the vast majority of republicans would have participated or condoned that. Those people in my opinion were extremists and trump worshipers. Cult people do crazy things. That’s not the entire political party in my opinion.
Is that the whole party or Trump?
They’ve already gotten a break, like that hip. This seems overly generalized. Be more specific.
Same as the Dem party went after all of trumps associates. In both cases, I think they’re (the people targeted by an opposing political party) shady at best, and corrupt mega criminals that should all be in prison at worst (best). I’d say that about a lots of politicians on both sides though. The republicans had a grand ol time trying to impeach Clinton. The Dems tried to Impeach Trump. Should yhey both have been impeached? Probably? Was it a huge political special and witch hunt, oh yeah. Both embarrassing for the nation and indicative of electing morally bankrupt or hypocrites, probably.
I’m not sure what this means.
Personally, I think a huge portion of the problem is a lack of choice. This two party system is broken. Insert huge discussion about that here, and move on. So I think that leaves a huge portion of people in the middle, trying to chose between two groups of people who seems to have the loudest and most extreme members fighting for the most leadership in the group.
I fact that trump is becoming the leading right extremist blows my mind, and I think it’s the movie ideocracy, but in real life. Maybe the other candidates were shitty, but come on. Ultimately, I don’t know how many true trumpers there are, versus people who would vote for someone else. I guess if he wins the primary, then points/half?
Maybe the other more sane half would go with a viable third or fourth group?
Maybe outlaw groups/parties and just have candidates?
“Believing that all those who oppose us are inherently evil leads to a deadlock since you can’t compromise with evil. It is only through understanding, compromise, and mutual respect that we can move forward and get things done.” - an LLM
For the downvoters, maybe time the time to write something instead of just doing a drive by. Say why you disagree since this is not a low effort comment.
Sure sounds to me like you either don’t agree with their platform or don’t understand the points on it.
So why do you vote for them?
You didn’t answer some of my questions asking for more clarification on some of those issues. I’m curious.
Most of that I have to Google/lookup. Im around a ton of highly conservative or Republican claiming people, but I don’t hear some of what you’re talking about.
I also don’t spend any time with actual politicians to know what they believe versus when they fall in line with party bs.
I wonder what removing funding from the political system would achieve. No more superpacs?
I didn’t answer your questions because you didn’t tell me which of those you agreed with. I’m still waiting to know.
If I vote any republican stuffs, it usually because of these big or little issues:
In some of these cases, I barely lean republican aligned. Or, I just disagree more with the Democratic parties view point/solution. That’s why I don’t have party affiliations. Me and trump aren’t the same. I can’t vote for any US presidential candidates this time, because I think they’re both wrong. I have an extremely negative view of trump, I’ll spare everyone. I don’t want Biden either. I have lots of reasons for both of those I don’t think people care about.
Neither party is against higher defense spending. Not a reason to vote Republican.
It’s already illegal. How much more conservative can you get? If this is a reason to vote Republican, you must want to arrest women who have miscarriages just in case. Generally not a reason to vote Republican anymore.
Republicans don’t. They just killed their own border bill. Not a reason to vote Republican.
I notice you didn’t say what policy that was. So I’m going to have to assume it’s “aid Russia and Israel as much as possible” since that’s their current foreign policy. Probably not a good reason to vote Republican.
You mean the thing you’ve already had to do my entire 20+ years of voting in the U.S.? Not a reason to vote Republican.
Republicans want zero controls. Zero. Not a reason to vote Republican.
They haven’t flipped on it so far. Not a reason to vote Republican.
Please give an example and then explain what Republicans have done about it.
As far as I can tell, you have not given a single good reason to vote Republican.
So I’m still going with ‘people who vote Republican support fascism’ and I also notice you have no critique of their LGBT+ bigotry, which also makes me think the ‘support fascism’ thing applies.
Looking forward to you continuing to avoid every question I ask you while you’re at work too.
I don’t, not all of them. Unlike some, I don’t push a D/R button. I cherry pick. If both candidates suck, I pass. Does it help or matter, no. My state votes red.
I won’t personally push the button for someone I think is a piece of crap.
But, the point I was making is there’s a range of politicians in these parties. Some chose a party affiliation out of necessity and funding, others are extremely polarized. I think there’s both participants on both sides.
I think people vote for one of these two groups again out of a lack of choice.
I don’t think all people who claim Republican are Nazis, fascists, etc. especially when you compare that’s to historical instances of the past.
I also don’t think all Democrats are communists, extremists etc, same.
I find most people want the same things, love, safety, material shit, etc. they differ widely on their greed levels, placing blame for their own problems or other people’s issues, etc.
You are really bad at answering questions.
You didn’t explain why you voted for them.
Every time I ask you a question, you either ask me one back or act like I never asked you. But you don’t answer mine.
above: https://infosec.pub/comment/6313165
5 Jews, 3 blacks, 2 former klansmen, and a Nazi sitting at a table is an “intervention”, not a table with 11 Nazis.
The idea that a Nazi infects everyone he comes into contact with and is utterly irredeemable is horseshit. The only way he stays a Nazi is if he never associates with anyone but Nazis. Your “11 Nazis” adage promotes isolating him among other Nazis, ensuring he is never exposed to any other philosophy.
Is that who you think the Republican Party is made up of?
I think that a table with 10 people of diverse religious, genetic, and philosophical backgrounds, plus 1 Republican is not a table of 11 Republicans.
Okay, but this is a Republican who votes for other Republicans. So that doesn’t sound especially diverse in terms of religion, genetics or philosophy.
I have voted for republicans, and Democrats. Am I a nazi?
I like @Rivalarrival@lemmy.today analogy. That group is made up of a ton of different people, and I don’t think they would all personally support each and every questionable BS policy proposed by the party. But we don’t get that level of choice. Maybe if there was more groups/parties, or none at all, they would vote a different way. Maybe they aren’t so much voting for things, but voting against something else.
I know people who won’t vote for a party over one issue, otherwise they would consider it.
Did you vote for Republicans who agree with the modern Republican platform? If so, yes. You are. Because you vote for fascists who want to implement fascist policy. Sorry to be the one to break it to you.
Which thing is so fascist?
Then I guess I could know who that was?
What’s your definition of fascism in the context of American society? I saw your questions, but I don’t know that those things are what the whole political party is about.
You didn’t answer my question.
This is a Republican who is suing to kick Donald Trump off the ballot. Right now, that’s good enough for me.