From neonatal and primary care to emergency medicine, kids got lower-quality care than their white peers, researchers found. Disparities include longer waits and less pain medication after surgery.
From neonatal and primary care to emergency medicine, kids got lower-quality care than their white peers, researchers found. Disparities include longer waits and less pain medication after surgery.
A fair question, but fwiw, racism is typically inherent in the system rather than the individuals. i.e., for one thing it correlates with poverty, while for another there tend to be aspects of race that transcend that. Admittedly, I did not chase down reading the underlying study - it wanted payment for individual access to this article - but even if it did not go so far as to adjust for correlations of underlying factors like income level (which, notably, it should have been rejected from any even halfway respectable peer-reviewed journal if it did not), hospitals in primarily-black areas tend to be those that can offer poorer quality of care, and even at the same care facilities, black people often report differences in how they are treated (not all you understand, but many - and yes, sometimes it happens literally only when people are not around to verify it, as in some people are highly friendly when watched but FAR less so when not; plus there is a marked difference b/t “politeness” vs. “friendliness”). In short, just bc you do not see it as a non-POC does not mean that it does not exist. Kudos for asking for a dialog though to broaden your perspectives - I upvoted to in case that helps someone see it who can respond with a more personal story. Indeed, Truth is often quite complex and difficult to pin down correctly - e.g. what if hospitals in primarily city areas were busier and offered lower quality-of-care than those in rural areas, regardless of race? But if you keep an open mind, you will most definitely see it happen, I guarantee it (not that you should trust me, just that if you are really open to seeking, then you will eventually find what you are looking for).
Is it a fair question? Does a perceived lack of personal anecdotes have any bearing whatsoever on:
“I’m just asking questions here!” Bullshit.
I understand you’re making the same point. Just…reiterating, I guess.
Honestly I have no idea - it depends on the user, and I cannot see inside their head. Even they themselves have limited knowledge of their own conscious thought processes, and might not be able to answer that fully. I am far from the only respondent who cannot fully tell whether they are being genuine or not - and again even they might not know. Also, does it matter, really?
But let me bump the question back to you: why is it wrong to ask questions? No, I do not mean bowtie-wearing-freak style - I am 100% with you there - but if they had legitimately meant to ask, why would that be wrong? Did you mean to suggest that perhaps this is not the right forum for that - a news community rather than a ELI5 or AskLemmy one? Yeah sure they should do their research, but one means of doing that is to ask so… this might legitimately BE that process happening?
And as for the study, I myself legit clicked through to try to read it, but could not, being stymied by a paywall. Because of that, arguably this OP was more of an “advertisement” than a fact-bearing post, b/c while the clickbait title got me to click it, I got very little in terms of full-on “factual information” from trying to read it. Admittedly it did read in the style of “these researchers are trust-worthy”, but that could be part of the scam, to get more clicks? Anyway, I am not outright accusing them of anything, just saying that the answer is less of a “firm yes” nor a “firm no” as you seem to be suggesting, it is much more gray, especially to someone not used to reading primary research materials (as I imagine the person I responded to might be?).
As for the claim of “Bullshit”… maybe, I cannot deny that. It did read like a sea-lioning comment… but anyway I am explaining that I chose to give it the benefit of the doubt. And you explained clearly that you were not willing to. That is your right, I suppose. So be the change that you want to see in the world… and block them? :-P
Well said, I appreciate your wisdom. And yes, was legit asking for perspective.
It’s pretty cool when we can get ideas and perspectives from all over the world from people in these Internet services, it’s just hard to interpret people’s intent sometimes.
I’ve done that from one site to another - before Lemmy, Reddit, and before that FaceBook - and yeah Lemmy is by far the best one that I have seen.
You brought an excellent counter-point too, that severely complicates the issues. It is something that e.g. black police officers struggle with on a daily basis as they police mostly black neighborhoods: should they NOT do this or that action, b/c of fear of “profiling” someone, even/especially if they are literally acting suspiciously? And sadly, much of the “tough guy/gal” culture brings things upon itself. So is the demeanor of the person asking a contributing factor? Then again, white people (especially older ones) can say the absolute meanist shit imaginable, yet they often get a free pass?
In this case, not so much health care professionals but rather the pencil-pushing administrators may be the ones doing the actual denying of care, likely due to financial reasons - poorer health care facilities, in poorer neighborhoods, just treat poor people like they are… I dunno, poor? And sometimes they happen to be black, go figure, it’s almost like those two things are sometimes related, and therefore show up in any study that does not properly distinguish between the varying factors. Any such correlation-based study will have such issues with it. And while actual attempts at causation studies can be done in other areas - e.g. swap resumes and switch a man’s name to a woman’s, or a white-sounding one with a black-sounding one, and see if that change impacts the decision (you might be surprised at how often it does, I’ve literally sat in on phone calls where someone “axed” for a particular person by name, only to be told that there is no such person at that office, then rather than ask for clarification in case of a pronunciation issue we were hung up on instantly, so we called back mere seconds later and this time I was the one who “asked” - notice my own pronunciation there? - and we were put through immediately), with healthcare you can’t (ethically) fake an illness, diagnosis, or treatment plan, so we are back to correlation studies as the only things that can illuminate the situation.
And supposedly there is something more to it than merely poverty, where black people report being “believed” less often when they say that they are in great pain - particularly women. Whatever the complex set of underlying reasons entails, I have no idea, but it strains credulity to think that racism is not somewhere in the heart of it all. I liken it to the “me too” movement, where women report being groped and sexually abused in all manner of ways (sometimes literally raped) but men who have not seen it happen first-hand do not wish to believe those horror stories, especially about their buddies who even if they engage in “locker talk”, SURELY would not do something like THAT!? So until you see it happen with your own eyes, or else just choose to believe those who you know well and are relating their stories to you, you won’t know, not REALLY. Those buddies don’t show that side of their personality with you, which is probably a good thing, b/c they realize that you do not share that aspect with them.
Anyway, based on everything else that I have seen and heard over the years, I have no trouble at all believing these claims, though in this particular type of scenario I have no direct or even indirect experiences, only stories I have heard from people I do not know first-hand. Though there are a LOT of such stories, some conducted by the utmost authority sources including the DOJ, and they tell a pretty damning trend that racism is alive and well in certain parts of the country. I used to question that too but… yeah, it’s real.
Here’s a fun video covering a related topic, in case you are interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v0XiUQlRLw