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And they said we should just accept it on their credibility.

I had the occasion to look this up again, so I thought I should post it for more than the shitlib I got it for (so now it’s also for the three of you sorting by new at this hour)

  • NaibofTabrEnglish
    13•10 months ago

    The U.S. claims to have information indicating that Russia is considering staging a “fabricated attack” by Ukrainian forces in order to justify an invasion of Ukraine

    Remember when Russia then proceeded to invade Ukraine with no justification?

    Oh right, that’s still happening.

      • NaibofTabrEnglish
        1•10 months ago

        No argument. The invasion of Iraq was not justified in any way that I’m aware of.

        I’m half-convinced W read a report about Iranian uranium refining projects and got the countries mixed up. Either that or he was cleaning up daddy’s mess.

        This really is off-topic though, except in the broad sense of military invasions conducted with some thin propaganda as an excuse.

        • egg1918 [she/her]English
          52•10 months ago

          they lied about Cuba

          they lied about Korea

          they lied about Vietnam

          they lied about Afghanistan

          they lied about Iraq

          they lied about Syria

          they lied about China

          But this time they’re telling the truth!!!11!1!1!1!!

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]OPEnglish
      51•10 months ago

      Remember when Russia then proceeded to invade Ukraine with no justification?

      The proximate justification was several days of escalating artillery fire on Donbas. Whether you approve of that justification or not, it is not “no” justification and it was not a false flag. It also highlights how unnecessary it would be to stage a false flag because Ukraine had been doing that kind of thing for 8 years. Zelensky wasn’t about to call off Azov any time soon.

        • panopticon [comrade/them]English
          49•10 months ago

          You stupid ass, that article was published two months after the SMO began and only discusses details of the fighting since then, there is no discussion of Ukraine’s escalating bombardment of the Donbas that led up to the attack, or any of Russia’s given reasons for attacking with its army. Such as thousands of Donbas civilians slain by Western Ukraine’s fascist paramilitaries, which were well documented by Western press and denounced by US politicians from 2014 until Feb 2022.

          Ah, you mean when

          If you’re going to post like a neck bearded smuglord you could at least understand what the fuck the discussion is even about. Fuck you, you Nazi sympathizing piece of shit.

              • NaibofTabrEnglish
                1•10 months ago

                Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Am I supposed to be offended or what?

                • Zoift [he/him]English
                  16•10 months ago

                  Am I supposed to be offended

                  No, you were supposed to reflect on those shitty balls and internalize them as a lesson in personal growth.

            • zkrzsz [he/him]English
              27•10 months ago

              That’s OK man, just let the anger out… remember to breathe…

              Calling the Russian invasion of Ukraine a “Special Military Operation” is parroting Putin’s propaganda and makes your sympathies evident, and the rest of your statements suspect. Your approach to discussion isn’t really supporting the validity of your opinion either.

              Why change the topic and not address their points about the period of history from 2014 till Feb 2022?

            • VILenin [he/him]MEnglish
              5•10 months ago

              You know, when you don’t know jack about shit, you shut the fuck up until you do know something about it, not smugly lecture others about the topic.

              It’s time for you to shut the fuck up.

        • egg1918 [she/her]English
          34•10 months ago

          Fucking libs really out here posting ukkk state propaganda like it’s some sort of slam dunk

          • VILenin [he/him]MEnglish
            2•10 months ago

            Liberals love repeating ancient talking points like it’s some genius revelation that’ll own the commies

        • MoreAmphibians [none/use name]English
          14•10 months ago

          Ukraine’s artillery was targeting military positions - Russian artillery - while Russia, he said, was also targeting towns and cities.

          How did towns and cities in Donbas keep getting hit with artillery if Ukraine wasn’t targeting them?

        • zephyreks [none/use name]English
          13•10 months ago

          Ah yes, the classic military positions of “towns and villages filled with civilians,” mostly those occupied by nongovernmental forces.

    • zephyreks [none/use name]English
      17•10 months ago

      Even Western outlets like Human Rights Watch acknowledged the situation in Ukraine:

      Flare-ups in hostilities, notably in March and May, led to civilian casualties. According to data by the United Nations human rights monitoring mission, in the first seven months of 2020, 18 civilians were killed and 89 injured by shelling, small arms weapons fire, mine-related incidents and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) strikes. Schools and educational facilities continued to be damaged by shelling, small arms and light weapons fire. Most of incidents occurred in the nongovernment-controlled areas.

      …

      Between January and May 2019, attacks on schools on both sides of the contact line tripled compared with the same period in 2018. Throughout six years of conflict, 147 children were killed.

      …

      Shelling across or near the contact line separating the two sides continued to damage civilian homes and infrastructure and to threaten civilian lives. Since 2014, 740 education facilities were damaged during the conflict, 16 from January to October 2018. Both sides carried out indiscriminate or deliberate attacks on schools and used them for military purposes.

      …

      In late January and early February, all sides to the conflict engaged in massive shelling of populated areas, severely damaging essential civilian infrastructure and killing civilians. According to the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) Special Monitoring Mission (SMM), as of mid-November, at least 425 civilians were injured or killed in 2017, more than the previous year.

      …

      Although the September ceasefire largely held, sporadic fighting continued. Both sides violated the laws of war. They committed indiscriminate attacks that injured and killed civilians, including through the use of cluster munitions. Government forces and Russia-backed rebels deployed within or near densely populated areas, endangering civilians and civilian objects, including schools, hospitals, and apartment buildings.

      …

      Ukrainian government forces used cluster munitions in populated areas in Donetsk city in early October 2014, Human Rights Watch said today. The use of cluster munitions in populated areas violates the laws of war due to the indiscriminate nature of the weapon and may amount to war crimes.

      Don’t forget the blatant abuse of the ethnic Russians in the area by the Ukrainian government.

      In the first half of 2020, government policies linking pension eligibility with displaced persons’ status continued to discriminate against and create hardship for older people living in nongovernment-controlled areas by forcing them to regularly travel across the line of contact to access their pensions. In February, parliament failed to pass legislation that would have addressed this linkage on the premise that the state budget could not cover the cost of arrears owed to these pensioners.

      …

      Ukraine authorities required people entering from nongovernment-controlled areas to install a smartphone app to monitor compliance with restrictions, even though many people do not own a smartphone. They also require people to self-isolate for 14 days, which is prohibitively expensive for older people living in these areas.

      …

      Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU) continued to deny the secret and prolonged detention of 18 civilians in its Kharkiv secret detention facility from 2014 to 2016. All 18 were unofficially freed by the end of 2016 and their detention was never acknowledged.

      …

      The Ukrainian government continued restrictions on freedom of expression, freedom of information, and media freedom, seeking to justify them by citing the need to counter Russia’s military aggression in eastern Ukraine and anti-Ukraine propaganda. According to the Institute for Mass Information, a media freedom watchdog, as of October, 201 press freedom violations took place in 23 regions. These ranged from threats and intimidation to restricting journalists’ access to information.

      …

      In August, SBU officials in the Dnipropetrovsk region unlawfully detained and tortured Daria Mastikasheva, later charging her with treason for allegedly working as a Russian agent. At time of writing, no one was found responsible for Mastikasheva’s ill-treatment.

      …

      Kiev’s forces disappeared and arbitrarily detained 13 journalists, often accusing them of assisting insurgents. For example, in May, security services detained two Russian reporters and held them for a week in incommunicado detention for suspected assistance to insurgents. The reporters later alleged they were beaten and threatened with execution.

      This is all coming from Western, allegedly Anerican-biased sources. Not acknowledging the situation in Ukraine between 2014 and 2022 is silly.