• jonne
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    10 months ago

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/

    They were close to a deal during a relative high water mark (Ukraine had just taken Kharkiv back and a huge chunk of the east). They’ve only gone backwards since and whatever deal they can get now will most likely be worse.

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      They were not close to a deal. Putin’s desired endgame is “I own Ukraine”. Ukraine’s desired endgame is “Ukraine continues to exist and isn’t constantly hammered by Russian missiles and bombs”. There’s not really much room for negotiation there. Moreover, Putin has negotiated in demonstrably bad faith multiple times over the course of the war (and I mean since 2014, when they used unmarked soldiers to annex parts of Ukraine and “held a referendum”). I’m not claiming Ukraine is a flawless paragon of virtue, but at the same time, there are VERY clear good guys and bad guys in the Ukrainian government war. Russia is the bad guys.

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        I didn’t ever say the Russians were the good guys. I’m saying the West is happy to keep Ukrainians fighting and dying for geopolitical reasons. Zelensky was elected on a platform of making a deal and ending the war, and he wasn’t allowed to do that by the West.

        Eventually there will be a peace, and even though it would be fair that Ukraine gets all its territory back, realistically that’s not going to happen (and if it did, there’s the question of what happens to all the Russian speakers in those areas). The deal he could’ve gotten right after the failed Russian invasion would’ve been better than whatever he can get now, especially with Trump now basically being in Putin’s side.

        It’s just a case of the US continuing to push too far thinking you can just beat Russia with better technology, even though history has shown that Russian leaders are perfectly happy to just throw men into the battle until the enemy runs out of ammo.

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            10 months ago

            They have, but they were promised the backing of the US, and now they’re not going to have it any more.

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        10 months ago

        So a Ukrainian news paper isn’t good enough? I can find other sources for the same story if you like. Or you can search for stories that explore the background of Johnson’s sudden Kyiv trip yourself.

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            10 months ago

            Not to be confused with Prada, Pravda.ru, Komsomolskaya Pravda, Ukrainska Pravda, pravda DE, pravda EN, pravda ES, pravda FR, or pravda PL.

            Come on man, at least read the links you post.

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              Jesus, why did they choose that name? I get that it means truth, but surely it was tainted by the then 88 year old newspaper in the country that colonized yours? Imagine if an Algerian person, fed up with French interference in their media, founded the Algerian newspaper, Le Monde.

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                10 months ago

                Seeing how popular the name is, I suspect it’s just a very generic newspaper name, like how a lot of English-language newspapers have Times in their names. For example, India has The Times of India and The Hindustan Times, despite the name coming from a former colonizer.

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                  I can understand that, but I suspect that neither calls itself The Times. In countries with a large newspaper known as a Times, The Times is called The London Times to differentiate itself