Thanks the thing, when internet folks get riled up we can have a serious impact. Redditors have always been great at this – Restore the Fourth, the SOPA/PIPA protests in 2011 – and Lemmy and kbin can be a great vehicle.

They certainly fucked up, but it might well be OpenAI’s post too.

Two reasons the ongoing Reddit protests are important:

1. the protests keep the pressure on reddit and can lead to ongoing news coverage (which also keeps the pressure on reddit) . Otherwise, reddit will be able to spin the narrative “see? we told you it would just blow over and it did”

2. kbin, Lemmy, and other alternatives aren’t yet at the point where they’re ready for millions of redditors. For example, the modCoord post makes the important point that a lot of reddit’s moderation functionality isn’t accessible … but almost none of this functionality even exists yet on kbin and Lemmy. So most people aren’t going to leave yet.

Don’t get me wrong, leaving now is also a good option if you can find what you want elsewhere! But not everybody’s there yet.

#reddit #kbin #lemmy

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Thanks for the update, thanks everybody who’s helping … and great decision handing off admin support

Indeed! https://fedipact.online/

I prefer Sean Tilley’s take: John Gruber Doesn’t Know What He’s Talking About

@nev Thanks!

@MyOpinion Totally agree, there’s some discussion at the end of the article on the need to improve moderation tools. Specifically for kbin and lemmy, I also talked about this in the Invest in moderation tools section of Don’t tell people “it’s easy”

@fediverse @fediverse @thenexusofprivacy

Thanks! I’m not sure, it could be that he is and I just didn’t find the quotes.

Yes they do! I clicked on the #mosstadon hashtag and it took me to https://kbin.social/tag/mosstadon just as one would hope!

I know it’s on their list, not sure where it’ll get prioritized. I shared a link to kbinMeta with beehaw.org’s list of needed moderation functionality, which applies to kbin as well, but so far the only comment is “jesus christ, here we go again with all this blocking bullshit”. 🤣

https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/37130/Beehaw-s-mod-tool-needs-Useful-for-KBin-as-well-Discuss

Exactly!!!

To the contrary: defederation from instances in situations like this is very much in the spirit of the the fediverse. Not attaching NSFW tags to NSFW content is a major moderation fail by lemmynsfw, and restricting content from badly-moderated instances until they get things cleaned up is something that frequently happens.

Several people here are saying that the bulk of it is coming from lemmynsfw. If so then it may well be best to defederate in the short term to buy time for a better solution (like marking everything from there NSFW automatically, either by a lemmy enhancement on their end or a kbin enhancement here)

Mastodon is more Twitter-like; Lemmy is Reddit-like; KBin has elements of both (Magazines and Threads being more Reddit-like, Microblog view being vaguely like Twitter). Mastodon has had a couple of big influxes of people considering leaving Twitter, similar to how Kbin and Lemmy are getting a lot of interest considering leaving Reddit.

What’s intriguing is that because they all use the same protocol (ActivityPub), people on Kbin can vote and comment on Lemmy posts, and Mastodon users can comment on Kbin or Lemmy posts. This is called federation, and software that uses ActivityPub is considered part of the “fediverse”. There are also dozens of other fediverse software platforms – Pixelfed is Instagram-like, Bookwyrm is goodreads-like, micro.blog and WriteFreely and others are blogs, etc etc. – that can all all interact, at least somewhat. Of course the reality’s more confusing, sometimes you can’t interact between different sites or software, and sometimes interactions are limited (for example you can’t vote on Kbin or Lemmy threads from Mastodon).

Here’s a post I made a few days ago from a Mastodon account that’s also visible in the Lemmy fediverse community, because I tagged the community. It didn’t go to Kbin (even though I tagged a Magazine) because federation wasn’t working at the time; and some of the replies in on Mastodon went to Lemmy as well, others didn’t, who knows why. Oh well. Still, it’s amazing when it works!

Yeah really. But, I’m sure he’s surrounded by people – investors, other CEOs who love the precedent of exploiting their volunteers, probably most if not all Reddit high-level staff – encouraging him and telling him it’s going well. Back in the 1990s Microsoft was known as being in a reality distortion field and I’ve seen similar things happen at other companies as well.

Most support it, although not all. They’ve been clear ask asking that they were trying to build a well-moderated space so it aligns With why most people are there - saw one person say that their first post had been hit by right-wing trolls from one of those instances, so if that’s happening then defederation makes sense.

I just talked with the person who’s running https://kilioa.org/ and it isn’t ready for a major influx of users, please take it off the list for now!

thanks for forwarding!