aye

The voting process was young. It probably wasn’t great. It might have even been a “shitshow.” But it was still good enough to agree on defederating a malicious instance.

I do not believe that free speech is compatible with social media. None of the social media platforms are public squares. They are all private. For instance, sh.itjust.works has the “no bigotry” and “be respectful” rules which disqualify us from being a free speech platform. Doxxing is, in and of itself, not illegal, and yet it’s not allowed even on Twitter. Most places are not friendly to porn, either.

Doesn’t the OP say that exploding-heads is filled with bots, though? That they are a disreputable instance is just a distraction now, I think.

“Free speech” is not compatible with social media, in my opinion. We have the “no bigotry” and “be respectful” rules, which already disqualifies us from being a free speech platform. Lemmy instances, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit; none of them are public squares.

They are a bot instance, though. And a Nazi instance.

Please don’t be naive. We’ve already seen where this goes. January 6 has already happened. The Club Q shooting has already happened. These are not isolated incidents. This brand of hatred is not nonviolent anymore. We should not remain passive in this case. If someone from our instance wants to read and post alt-right stuff, let them create a new account on their instance.

I gave my 2 cents already in this thread, but you all should have honored the previous vote. This discussion and vote should have been about re-federating them. He’s not wrong that this is redundant and tiring.

We’re under no obligation to federate with anyone that we don’t want to. They’re not just a Nazi bar, which I now believe is a good enough reason to build our wall, as you say, but they’re also a Nazi bar with Nazi robots.

At first I was against defederating from them, since even though I do not agree with their viewpoints, I was of the opinion that we should not be so hasty to defederate with anyone. I thought that it was against the spirit of the Fediverse.

However, I have since changed my mind. There are three types of federation in Lemmy: allow list, block list, and open. We aren’t under any obligation federate anyone that feels like spinning up an instance.

The people on that instance, including its mods and admins, are a hate group. They break the sh.itjust.works rules of being respectful and having no bigotry. The exploding-heads content has no business even reaching the sh.itjust.works server, in my opinion.

It would also be a very bad look for us for sh.itjust.works users to create an account here and begin posting on instances which break our rules.

There is also the argument that, since we federate with a Nazi instance, we are also a Nazi instance. We had the “The Donald” and “Conspiracy Theories” communities which also supported that argument. Whether you agree with it or not, this is why we have been defederated from Beehaw, one of the larger Lemmy instances.

In addition to all of the ideological arguments above, they have opened themselves up to a botswarm invasion, and I think that is itself a reason to defederate them. It’s a simple security concern!

Finally, I am in disbelief we are even voting on this a second time. I would have expected the moderator team to honor the previous vote to defederate from them. Any further discussion and vote should have been to re-federate with them.

We did vote for using an automated tool, even, to protect against such instances: https://sh.itjust.works/post/338826

You can also see previous discussion in this post: [Vote] Clear the federation blacklist

As much as I very much dislike the current political climate, and even though I’m aware that there is actual violence going on against those that don’t deserve it, I must say I disagree with your claim. Not every racist or sexist or homophobe is guilty of violence. We are a tribal species, but not every disagreement has to mean war. Additionally, I don’t think defederating communities at the first signs of any of these will achieve what you want.

Got it. Thanks for the clarification!

I don’t know anything about Decidim yet, personally, but I think evaluating options like this is the way to go.

Nay.

Is this two different proposals in one, though?

Personally I can’t think of how voting can be done cleanly within just Lemmy yet. It seems like there should be a special type of post developed for it.

I see a couple issues with your proposal. Actual discussion can either drown out the options to be voted, especially the ones that are being downvoted. Second, the snowball effect would be even worse than comment-based voting, as the earliest upvoted options would be on the top of the thread.

EDITED

I’ve changed my mind. I vote:

Aye.

I initially voted the other way, as I don’t agree with the content there, but I didn’t think that defederating should be our first action. I still believe that, but this instance has now proved to me that it is extremely toxic. See this post: https://lemmy.world/post/747912

And additionally, many folks will use the fact that we do not defederate from such a community as justification to defederate from us.

I, for one, wouldn’t have joined this instance if it wasn’t blocked.