Axel Springer cares fuck all about anything other than their profits, their power in German politics and being a narrative setter.

By saying „they did a very good job, …“ but after the comma instead of explaining, why you think they did a good job, you start a deflection, you immediately discredit yourself as a supposed good faith actor.

Care to try again, FactChecker?

e: oh, you‘re that kind of account. alright, bring it!

Because it’s very likely not real. These are unverifiable, imaginary numbers published by Axel Springer, the worst German journalism has to offer.

In regards to the author, the Bellingcat description says:

He was previously a freelance trainer for Bellingcat.

He is a “a trainer of media professionals specialised in new media, social media and data journalism”, “thought leader” and “visiting lector of Axel Springer Akademie in Berlin” according to this profile. He consults, teaches, sells books about his methods, but does not do investigative reporting himself (as it seems).

So, he’s legit as in that kind of way, sure is involved in stuff. But not neccessarily in a way that boosts his trustworthiness in regards of the journalistic integrity of the reporting done here.

All the students are from Axel Springer‘s trainee program, the notorious publisher known for its misinformation, slandering and yellow press. Absolutely not known for its investigative journalism, that would be a new one. Heavily biased pro capitalist, pro Ukraine, pro Israel.

The story also was published behind a paywall, around two weeks after the analysis from dronewatch.eu debunking almost all the drone sightings.

Although officials in Denmark, Germany and Belgium have repeatedly suggested Russian involvement, the data tells a different story. Only three cases involved confirmed Russian drones — all in countries bordering Ukraine: Poland, Romania and Moldova.

This means that the often-mentioned link to Russian hybrid warfare in Western Europe is still unsubstantiated. And even if, at some point, drones were observed flying in formation — as the Belgian defence minister has claimed several times — that does not automatically point to a state actor.

I press DOUBT.

Sweet, Hotznplotzn, already more clever than the crap you cited further up. I don’t have the energy or time now to clean up after you again, of course that makes things easier for you.

But a neo-con FDP think tank with a dissident from the times of the attempted Hong Kong colour revolution as the author of the report, good stuff, good stuff.

Interesting that you always dig up people supported by the West. Is that about the same as when people here are supported by Russia or China, or doesn’t that work in this direction because those are our enemies after all?

Everybody really should know by now what “freedom” (Freiheit) means to the FDP (neo-con liberal party with 3,5 %), namely FUCK THE POOR AND WORKERS, MAKE WAY FOR CAPITAL. And that’s why we should, of course, treat any report about an ideologically different nation state that such a foundation shits out with the credibility you would like us to.

I would love to support such dissidents, if they weren’t always so conspicuous with their capitalist freedom fantasies.

Lol, that’s like a report that you’d find in similar kind in any country. Pretty sure any reporting on that would be from a source that you as a chauvinist, sinophobic propagandist would dismiss. Point being, this fucker got caught. And you are a propagandist and should be permabanned.

And you consider that a credible source?

An obscure Western “NGO,” a private foundation with opaque funding structures, with one co-founder being American and the other a Swede who was already imprisoned in China and then deported, two bros in their thirties who already ran similar setups before this NGO, e.g., Chinese Urgent Action Working Group. The “Safeguard Defenders” from the West, with the explicit mission statement of meddling in China’s affairs, which states:

supports local field activities that contribute to the protection of basic rights, promote the rule of law, and enhance the ability of local civil society and human rights defenders in some of the most hostile environments in Asia

or

Asia is among the most world’s most repressive regions in terms of freedom of speech and has one of the worst records in persecuting journalists.

Well, they definitely have a mission, that’s for sure. How would we perceive that here, i.e., the other way around, hmmmm?!

Xinhua News Agency January 19, 2016

Recently, the national security organs and the public security organs jointly cracked a case of endangering national security, successfully defeating an illegal organization that has long received overseas financial support, trained and funded a number of “agents” in China in the name of the “China Rights Protection Emergency Assistance Group”, and engaged in criminal activities that endanger national security. Criminal suspects such as Peter Yesper Darling (Swedish nationality) have been taken criminal coercive measures in accordance with the law.

I’m sure they’ve never had anything to do with any Three-Letter-Agency and are totally not biased or anything. And we also know, everything that comes from China is bad and evil and lies and so on (as showcased once again with the article you posted).

Interestingly, seemingly the same people who already reported on the ominous Chinese police stations in Western nations.

That’s why we should take everything these nice gentlemen report very seriously, you’re absolutely right, Chief Lemmy Propagandist (Section Germany) Hotznplotzn.

Jut, musste zu allererst mal genauer aufpassen, was du eigentlich für seltsame Narrative übernimmst. Da würde ich vorschlagen, nicht jeden Artikel gegen Russland oder China, der von irgendwelchen Heinzen auf Lemmy gepostet wird für bare Münze zu nehmen, ich denk da an Kandidaten wie randomname, Sepia, aber speziell in deutschen Communities dann an Hotznplotzn. Gleiches gilt für die deutsche Medienlandschaft, inklusive dem ÖRR.

Dir sollte bewusst werden, dass wir hier im Westen genauso (wenn nicht noch mehr) mit Bullshit-Propaganda vollgeschallert werden, wie uns das immer über die Gegenseite verklickert wird – mit dem expliziten Ziel dir zu versichern, dass wir die Guten sind und das Richtige tun und die da drüben, die Anderen die Bösen und immer nur ganz extrem Schlimme Sachen tun und wir sie stoppen müssen! Das sollte Jedem einigermaßen informierten User spätestens seit dem Palästinensischen Genozid durch Israel klar geworden sein, da dort die Gegensätze zwischen dem was uns erzählt wird und dem, was wir 24/7 online und durch unabhängige Berichterstattung sehen krasser nicht sein können (geht zumindest mir so und so weit ich das mitbekomme auch vielen Anderen). Der Genozid geht übrigens unverblümt weiter, während unser Kanzler den Chefvölkermörder vor Ort besucht, um ihm die Kimme zu lecken.

Wenn du glaubst, dass diese Scheiße nicht auch auf der Ukraine/Russland-Achse so läuft, dann muss ich dich mal eben schütteln und rütteln, damit dein Gehirnapparat wieder in Gang kommt.

Dann kommt hinzu, dass (Klassiker, just like Is/Pa und dem 7. Oktober) dieser Konflikt nicht erst mit dem Einmarsch der russischen Truppen in die Ukraine begann. Und man sollte sich dann vielleicht mal ernsthaft versuchen damit auseinanderzusetzen, was da eigentlich passiert und wie es dazu kam. Mein Vorurteil ist nun aber, das Menschen wie du das aber nicht machen, sie schreien bei abweichenden Narrativen lieber direkt Putintroll oder irgendeinen einprogrammierten Schrott über den bösen Russen. Und genau wie ich nicht Hamas-Unterstützer bin, wenn ich die nicht bei jeder Gelegenheit verurteile und auch kein Antisemit bin, allein dadurch, dass ich ein oder zwei Probleme mit Israel habe, so bin ich auch kein Putin-Unterstützer, weil ich nicht in jedem Kackkommentar auf ihn oder die Russen allgemein schimpfe, aber dafür ganz explizit Kritik am westlichen Narrativ formuliere.

Sollte eigentlich Common-Sense sein, dass das Eine nicht das Andere bedingt.

Wir sind nicht die Guten in diesen Spiel. Trust me, Bro.

Du bist halt übelst verwirrt, weil du dich von westlicher Propaganda hast so dermaßen einwickeln lassen, aber dein eigenes Bauchgefühl, dein gesunder Menschenverstand verursacht enorme Dissonanz. Du darfst dann nur nicht deine Fühlis von staatlichen Narrativen oder reaktionären Kräften kapern lassen (POoTiN AAAH BÖSE, TÖTEN, ALLE KAPUTT MACHEN, FUCK RUSSKIS, KRIIIIEG FÜR IMMMER! ist eines davon). Brich da mal aus, bitte!

What a very civil answer of you. Totally not the behaviour of a ridiculously propagandised teenager, that might have had a few too many low quality vodkas themselves in their short and miserable live.

Wikipedia on the Name of Ukriane

We don’t necessarily disagree, but proclaiming disregard for Ukrainian souvereignty based on the use of a definitive article in an international forum is bad faith conduct. It’s specifically an English thing and a Ukrainian/Russian thing. There are languages that are using the definitve article based on how their languages work and these kind of usages will sometimes transfer into English.

This, again, does not mean what you trying to do, discrediting another user’s opinions or arguments based on an improper use of a foreign language. That is the opposite of civil behaviour.

As a german, I had to actively learn to not use “the” in combination with “Ukraine”. It happened because of a confrontation with clever individuals like you, but that really can be done politely hinting at the proper use in the English language and not by shaming the other person.

(reup, edited out the meany words, lol, because imagine the uncivility that might be caused in this post)

Oh my, so you first accuse someone of spouting propaganda and insult them at the same time, because you don’t like their perspective, all based off of the grammatically wrong use of an article and when you’re being confronted with your shitty behaviour you play victim, because said behaviour is ousted as being the opposite of civil and the kind of people acting like that, which includes you, are being called out as the clever individuals that they are.

Bohooo, poor little ignorant victim you are.

How about you accept, that you behaved like an asshole and throw out an excuse ­- that would be more impressive. But looks like you don’t have the character strength.

An alternative would be to actually provide some kind of arguments as to why the accused’s arguments or opinions are wrong, instead of straight up denouncing them - that would also be more impressive. But looks like you don’t have the intellectual strength.

Get lost, splendid individual.

(edited out some mean words, because of this funny line that is drawn for the very selectively applied civility rule)

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This is dumb. It’s dependant on the mother tongue how and if a definitive article is being used with Ukraine. In German for example, you say “die Ukraine”, and a natural translation into colloquial English results in the use of “the Ukraine”. This doesn’t mean to be a Sergei.

Dinge, von denen keiner hier gerade redet, aber spannend, wie du dich an den Nebenpunkten festklammerst. Genauso, wie es irrelevant ist, dass die Ukrainer sich über deutsche Unterstützung freuen.

Lenk ab, wie du willst, das ändert alles nichts daran, dass die Ukrainer (die Leute) keinen Bock mehr darauf haben abgeschlachtet zu werden. Du bist die Person die es nicht akzeptieren will. Aber du bist ja auch nicht an der Front.

Was du hier alles über die Motivation der Ukrainer weisst ist ganz erstaunlich.

Das würde ich dann doch den Leuten gerne selbst überlassen, das zu entscheiden.

Die Leute wollen nicht mehr und das ist etwas anderes, als das was der Staat will. That’s it, nimm’s mit.

Vielleicht solltest du dann mal aufhören den Staat Ukraine mit seinen Einwohnern/Untertanen gleichzusetzen. Du willst, dass “den Leuten gerne selbst überlassen” wird, das zu entscheiden. Du redest von den Ukrainiern, den Leuten und genau diese wollen, dass der Krieg alsbald ein Ende nimmt, auch mit Gebietsabtretungen.

Die Interessen eines Staates sind nicht die Interessen seiner Menschen. Das ist auch in Deutschland nicht anders, wo die Meisten keine Wehrpflicht wollen und auch nicht, dass Israel weiter unterstützt wird. And yet, …

Schon seit Juli sind mehr als zwei Drittel (69 %) für eine Beendigung der Kampfhandlungen, und weniger als ein Viertel (24 %) wollen noch bis zu einem Sieg weiterkämpfen. Wie in der entsprechenden Grafik zu sehen, hat sich diese Motivation bereits Mitte-Ende 2024 umgekehrt. Man kann davon ausgehen, dass die Zahlen inzwischen, ein halbes Jahr später, eine noch klarere Sprache sprechen.

It’s a comparison, not whataboutism. They’re comparing similar things, they’re not trying to shift the discussion somewhere else.

You‘re such a tool. So, how would you describe your lemmy post (and comment) efforts over the whole existence of this account? Looking at it a bit closer, one could come to the conclusion, that you are paid and supported by NATO-adjacent interests. Because it‘s literally all you do, all day, everyday, posting agitating stuff against the two big adversaries of the west. That‘s a really narrow window of interest. Are you and hotzplotzn best buds? Disgusting. Ever considered doing something with your life, that actually helps humanity progress and flourish, instead of propagating war efforts and manufacturing consent?

Oh it has always been will. Let‘s not pretend like capitalism has the better logistics and therefore a better world wouldn‘t have been possible sooner. That’s only romanticizing capitalism.

Der Anzug ist sinnbildlich für patriarchale Unterdrückung und kapitalistische Ausbeutung. Change my mind.

He designated cartels as foreign terrorist organizations through executive order on his inauguration day and also invoked the Alien Enemies Act. So ya, that actually was on the table since January.

Clip of his inauguration speech

Executive order: Designating Cartels And Other Organizations As Foreign Terrorist Organizations And Specially Designated Global Terrorists

Alien Enemies Act of 1798