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444·2 months agothe tentacles of the persian state…
As a supporter of the Iranian opposition, I’d like to correct you about this description. The Islamic Republic have nothing to do with Persian ethnicity or Iranian nationality. Only 50%-60% of Iranians are Persian, it’s a very ethnically and culturally diverse nation. The Islamic Republic is a theocracy that oppresses the people of Iran. They destroy secularism and minority cultures in favor of Shia-style Islamization.
Narrated by Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).
It’s clear to me, based on what you’ve said, that you know very little about Israelis (Arabs and Jews), Jewish culture and history in the land of Israel (yes, before 1947, before 1918), Israeli politics (foreign and internal) and Middle East geopolitics.
How come you write with such confidence about something you barley know anythings about?
Israel gets dropped into existing post-WWII
5 Facts About the Jewish People’s Ancestral Connection to the Land of Israel
Things are heavily medicated up until the 80’s…
A typo? I don’t know what you were trying to say. Anyway, from '47 until '73 Israel fought several existential wars against conventional armies (and many terrorists of various groups, never stopped, always been happening). Maybe that was your point.
Palestine fights back
AKA Hamas’ massacres on October 7th / Hamas & PIJ suicide bombings against Israeli civilians / constant shooting attacks by Palestinians terrorists against Israeli civilians / Palestinians terrorists firing rockets targeting Israeli civilians.
Their goal was always the destruction of the Jewish state (see also: Amin al-Husseini, Fawzi al-Qawuqji).You may stop propagating the false narrative of Israelis stealing Palestinian land just for the sake of being evil.
Sure, some privately owned farmland of some Arabs in Judea and Samaria was claimed by Israelis (mostly private citizens with no government permission). After going through the Israeli legal system, the court either orders for demolition of the illegal houses or (if the trial took too long, and people already moved in) it orders for monetary compensation for the rightful Arab owners of the land.
Ultimately, most of the land was not privately owned, it was barren land, all groups (Christians, Jews, Muslims, Druze) had enough room to expand their communities and build new ones.You’re right about the Islamic Republic of Iran spreading chaos in the Middle East by arming and financing Jihadist proxies, primarily with the goal of the destruction of Israel (and the west is next).
You talk about Jewish extremism on Israel’s behalf, which somewhat exists, but you fail to acknowledge how prevalent Jihad is as an idea and practice. Islamism is antisemitic to its core.
They express it publicly all time:
Fathi Hammad (Hamas):
The first is the cleansing of Palestine of the filth of the Jews.
Hamas: Goal of world domination under an Islamic Caliphate:
(The Palestinian people) are preparing to establish the Caliphate.
Houthis’ slogan:
God Is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, A Curse Upon the Jews, Victory to Islam.
I refuse to accept your appeasement attitude. Israel sends its troops (Jews, Arabs, Druze) to the battlefield to fight a just war. Human life is put at risk to achieve the goals of the war.
Just as the allies fought Nazi Germany and lost millions of troops and civilians.If there’s a hostage deal, it should serve the interests of Israel, not the interests of the terrorists of Hamas, PIJ, Fatah, PFLP etc.
A deal which servers the interests of Hamas-ISIS means surrender. A permanent ceasefire where Hamas stays in power means surrender. Not getting all the live Israeli hostages means surrender. Israel withdrawing from strategic areas means surrender.The war in Gaza could end tomorrow if Hamas surrenders, disarms and returns all the hostages.
- Hamas must surrender.
- The Palestinian terrorists should be disarmed.
- All Israeli (Jews and Arabs) hostages in Gaza should be released immediately and unconditionally.
That’s what I’m saying. I don’t agree with your interpretation of my position, I never said that.
I did read the elements that were publicly published, yes.
- Release of hundreds of murderers out of prison without getting all the live hostages.
- The war ends (without Hamas losing power).
etc.
It doesn’t matter who organized the discussions, Hamas has no right to exist and it must be defeated.
The war in Gaza could end tomorrow if Hamas surrenders, disarms and returns all the hostages.
Would you tell the leader of your country to surrender to the terms of a Jihadist terror organizations and relasese hunderds of murderers?
What whould you prefer: USA, UK, USSR defeat Nazi Germany or surrender to their terms?
You mean Hamas.
Fathi Hammad: The first is the cleansing of Palestine of the filth of the Jews.
The war in Gaza could end tomorrow if Hamas surrenders, disarms and returns all the hostages.
1·4 months agoTwo-thirds of respondents said they continue to support the Hamas-led Oct. 7 attack on Israel, in which militants killed 1,200 people and took at least 240 hostages, and 80% believe it put the Palestinian issue at the center of global attention.
In the June 12 poll, 40% of Palestinians in both the West Bank and Gaza said they would prefer Hamas to govern them, followed by Fatah (20%), the Palestinian National Liberation Movement in control of the West Bank and led by Mahmoud Abbas. Eight percent chose others. Support for Hamas over the preceding three months increased by 6%.
Shikaki explains this significant support for Hamas despite the suffering caused by the war: “The support for Hamas comes from various sources, but the most important one is because Palestinians share Hamas’ values. They will support Hamas for that, even if Hamas makes wrong moves here or there."
He explained that those values comprise three main elements: a high level of religious observance, no separation of faith and state and primacy of religious identity over national and ethnic identity. He said about one-third of people polled in Gaza share those values, and slightly fewer in the West Bank.
Meaning: according to this survey, ~33% of Gazans and West Bankers share the values of Islamism and Jihad (terroism).
Q: According to your last surveys, about 90% or so of Palestinians do not believe that Hamas committed atrocities such as killing women and children or raping during the attack on Israel last Oct. 7. How do you explain that?
A: …However, we still have the other half of those who’ve seen the videos who don’t believe Hamas committed atrocities, and that’s because they think it’s all fabrication.
The change here has been dramatic today. The majority of Palestinians believe that violence or armed struggle is the most effective step for ending the Israeli occupation. Starting in 2015, we began to see a rise, but not a majority. The formation of the current Israeli government under Netanyahu early in 2023 made the difference. Even before Oct. 7, a majority of Palestinians in the West Bank was already supporting violence in a manner that we have not seen since 2005.
Q: According to your last polls, the most popular leader for the Palestinian people is not Hamas nor the Palestinian Authority, but Marwan Barghouti, who has been in an Israeli prison for more than 20 years for murdering Israeli citizens. He is a well-known supporter of the two-state solution. Can you explain this support for Barghouti?
A: Barghouti was popular before Oct. 7. His popularity increased significantly after Oct. 7. There is absolutely no doubt about that. In the last 20 years, Barghouti has been the most popular Palestinian leader.
…Only one in ten Palestinians have seen videos showing atrocities committed by Hamas.
Ninety percent, compared to 80% three months ago, say they did not see videos, shown by international news outlets, showing acts committed by Hamas against Israeli civilians, such as the killing of women and children in their homes; only 9% (6% in the West Bank and 13% in the Gaza Strip) saw these videos.
Statistical error or for some reason 10% of respondents answered differently?
Describing Figure (4): 54% of those who have seen videos actually denies that Hamas commited atrocities.
It is useful in this context to mention that Al Jazeera is the most watched TV news station in Palestine as about 70% chose it as the most watched station during the past two months. Due to the current war conditions, West Bankers are more inclined than Gazans to watch Al Jazeera, with 83% of West Bankers saying it is their preferred channel.
Meaning: That’s why many people consider Al Jazeera (controlled by the authoritarian government of Qatar) to be the biggest supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood, and by extension considered to be the media arm of the terrorist organization Hamas.
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Excuse me, can you even read? Please cite a direct quote from the ICJ ruling that clearly states that Israel is committing a genocide. Can you do it? Of course not, because they never did.
You are still avoiding addressing this point.
You haven’t established any knowledge about any of those issues.
It’s clear to me, based on what you’ve said, that you know nothing about Israelis (Arab and Jews), Jewish culture and history, Israeli politics (foreign and internal) and Middle East geopolitics.
They did not wish for sovereignty over themselves within a nation-state framework in the Middle East.
That’s true for most of Jewish history, but the author from Haaretz (Sand) is not explaining it in this article. I’m surprised he doesn’t mention Jerusalem even once in his opinion piece. The city of Jerusalem is mentioned in so many Jewish prayers and practices, only maybe surpassed by the story of the exodus from Egypt.
The original article (from ajc.org) does provide the main (religious) reason for the fact that only small groups of Jews immigrated to the land of Israel before the 19th century.Traditional Jewish religious thought stated that the Jews had been exiled from their homeland as a punishment from God. They could only return in Messianic times. This belief kept most Jews from thinking about a return to living in Israel.
Also, when you’re a persecuted and an oppressed minority for 2000 years, it’s very difficult for you to believe that you could take your fate into your own hands. Think about the profound ideological persuasion you need to have in order to think you can fight against the British empire or the Ottoman empire, and establish a safe homeland for your people.
Only after the horrors of the holocaust and the establishment of the state of Israel, there were mass immigration of Jews to the land.
Anti-Zionists on Lemmy hate facts.
This is also relevant to you. You haven’t established any knowledge about any of those issues.
It’s clear to me, based on what you’ve said, that you know nothing about Israelis (Arab and Jews), Jewish culture and history, Israeli politics (foreign and internal) and Middle East geopolitics.
You are spewing out nonsense based on a false narrative. If you want to establish common ground based on actual facts, you are more than welcome.
It’s pretty obvious what Israels goal is and has been for the last decades. Steal land, just look at the west bank or even a map.
Why would anyone pay me? I’m just a random guy on the internet.
Do you get paid per argument?
All the things I’ve mentioned are relevant. Many people are talking out of their asses without knowing anything about this conflict. They don’t make the minimum effort to learn the basic things, they just follow the mob and reuse their words without understanding any of it. Some Israelis do it, some westerners do it, some arabs do it.
And all of these useful idiots are being manipulated by Islamists, radical left people, white supremacists.You mentioned a lot of unrelated stuff lol
I’ve heard different answers to this question. Conducting a poll is obviously a hard task to pull of in an authoritarian country, considering the censorship by the state.
A quick search got me to this poll: Article, Archive
So the answer would be that only 15% of the population are pro-theocracy.