
Well with the latest collapse in talks hopefully everything’s back on the table for discussion

Well with the latest collapse in talks hopefully everything’s back on the table for discussion


Thoughts haven’t changed too much, If what we’re hearing is true (big if) Then at the last minute the Americans took what was a bad deal and made it absolutely horrible. And carney did the right thing and walked away. I think that’s what pretty much all of the premier’s work and the polls suggest you won’t suffer for it. In the end though it was the only real choice we had. We can’t give away our sovereignty
But the challenge now is going to be whether or not he has a plan to fight the war he just picked to fight the war he just picked. He should have been preparing for this for over a year knowing that it was always a possibility but he really didn’t do much to prepare us like curb spending or the like.
Trump is getting his ass kicked and I ran because he picked a war without realizing or thinking about how he was going to get a win and an exit. If we don’t have a plan the same thing will happen to us
I would hope he has a plan to put as much pressure on trump as possible. I would spend hundreds of millions if I were him in adverts similar to what Ontario did and her ass trump across America before the primaries. I would be very specific about which products I tariffed and I would probably focus on export tariffs. Things like energy and potash etc are going to hurt them the most and drive their inflation up which will embarrass the hell out of trump
If he just sits there and doesn’t do anything besides put a few tariffs in place we’re going to get slaughtered. The Americans can outwait us

But that wouldn’t stop them from taking their jobs there and paying taxes there.

Then you don’t care about Canadian jobs because the vast majority of jobs come from small and medium business in Canada. Those are the entrepreneurs

Not everybody considers Trump Fascism and most people recognize that he’s gone into and change years. They’re probably thinking long-term. But the fact that they prefer to move to the united states to stay here is more of a commentary about how bad it is here than it is about how bad it is in the states


That seems like a very odd rumour :) i’m not even sure how one 'humps a couch" (and i’m just fine with keeping it that way btw)

Children criticize the source, intelligent adults address the content. Was there something about the content that you disagreed with?


LOL couch humper? Where does that come from?


Well if that’s the strategy they’re going to run the clock straight into the ground at the straight into the ground at this point. We have been losing on all fronts and although we don’t know the details of this deal yet it’s not sounding terribly promising
We can’t afford to go two years of a bad deal in the hopes that somebody will get in next time that will give us a better deal. I would remind you that it’s usually the democrats that are being anti-canadian trade and the unions that push for that kind of stuff. There’s no reason to believe that a democrat administration would be any nicer about it if the deals are already in place. And no guarantee it won’t be JD Vance or somebody who wins the next election
We are losing this trade war. Final deal is as bad as they’re suggesting then carney will have failed utterly and completely in his promise to handle trump and trump will have won. We can only hope that is better than they’re making it out


We don’t know the details of the deal yet but it certainly doesn’t sound like we won much.


““And the whole point of this is to change Canada’s behaviour,” Vance said. “Which they, you know, not entirely, but they’ve certainly shifted in a Trumpian direction.””
Well that doesn’t sound good

Well most of trump steals actually last a lot longer than that. And he won’t be running again, although there’s no guarantee that the next person won’t be just as bad.
Also I have a horrible feeling this deal is probably particularly good for him. Carney has been caving to him since day one and I doubt this is any different

The business community sees it as stability. And trump doesn’t generally reneg on deals he’s just done. He may find something ELSE to pick on but for the industries involved it brings some certainty. Enough to get the investment they need.
I know he hasn’t gone back on anything this term that he signed to this term. I’m not sure what you’re referring to.
Like I say it’s nothing to stop him from picking on another sector or the light but if they do a deal on cars for example he’ll stick by that deal on cars
And in case you haven’t noticed we’re failing horribly right now. Our economy is getting worse not better and carney is trying desperately to whitewash how bad we’re doing and using terms like technical recession but if things continue the way they are right now our economy will be in severe dire straits within a year. Investment is fleeing the country because of the uncertainty and we’re going to get pounded if we don’t turn things around. So pretending that the status quo is somehow better would be a mistake

Well there’s no chance it would ever happen. I’m surprised anyone would even ask that question to be honest. Unless carney was absolutely certain of getting a new majority mandate why would he do that? And his numbers are good, but they’re not that good. It would be possible that he could wind up with another minority, so why would he take that risk?
But it is interesting to see that so many people consider it to be a subject that is worth deciding whether or not to keep a government over. It’s been generally thought that no matter what happens carney won’t wear it because trump will be blamed for anything good or bad, but I wonder if carney may not be held to a higher level of account than people expect?

Well that’s not quite true, trump does tend to keep his word at least until the next term where he will claim it was the worst deal ever and he’s going to negotiate a new one and he wishes he could find whoever wrote the last one 🤣🤣
A deal would bring much-needed stability for the business community which we haven’t had until now and it’s been brutalizing us horribly. Hopefully it’s a good deal, and not a complete piece of crap.

This actually surprised me. I can see carney allowing it is if he thought he had such a massive lead in the polls there’s no way that he could get anything but a majority, and frankly even as currently isn’t that strong and he’s not really much of a risk taker. I think he’ll stay with his manufactured majority and won’t consider calling an election

Thank god we’re saved! I was worried someone was going to punch out greta thunberg over this…

Never took chemistry in university, but this sounds more like a suspended particle issue to me the way they phrase it.
It does lead to the obvious question, if that’s true would introducing more particles temporarily to our atmosphere reduce global warming?

I honestly did not see that coming.
1 approximately 5.8 million people, which accounts for 46.6% of the total private labour force. That’s not including medium sized businesses which grew from small businesses
2 a lot of them apparently, something like 40% in the trades involving manufacturing and such but for this particular article they’re referring to the tech industry which is lost about $400 billion dollars worth. That’s quite a lot
3 None, they left. The question is how many would have worked for them and the answer is thousands and thousands
4 The article notes that these are the ones that have already left. We don’t know how many more considering Leaving but presumably these ones left others will follow. We do know that several other sectors such as manufacturing, are reporting that many are planning to leave or have already made arrangements.
We’re talking about a very large number of jobs and massive amounts of investment money, and not just that but these are extremely high paying jobs. And as I’m sure you are aware these kinds of high-paying jobs and stimulate other jobs within the economy as well
We can’t afford to be losing high paying tech jobs and replacing them with Tim Hortons jobs. This is a big deal, we have to make it desirable for companies both tech and other to stay in Canada and right now we’re not achieving that