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  • they have open warrants

    No, there are no open warrants against Israel.

    ICC prosecutors have requested arrest warrants against Netanyahu and Gallant based on war crimes in Palestine (which is an ICC member). But ICC courts haven’t issued warrants yet, and it may never happen. If it did, it would not restrict Israelis in general. It would just mean that Netanyahu and Gallant could not visit ICC states.

    At no point has the ICC ever entered a non-ICC country to drag anyone in, in fact they are explicitly forbidden from doing so. Some other country could take it upon themselves to declare war on Israel and try to capture and extradite him. Spoiler alert: that’s never going to happen, because it isn’t worth it. Whether you like it or not, countries prioritize respect for sovereignty over prosecuting war crimes.

    The only people who can drag in Netanyahu are Israelis themselves. That’s why when anyone asks

    what are we actually going to do about it this time

    the answer is always “we are going to do nothing”.

    Just ask Joseph Kony, who is still free despite an ICC warrant issued in 2006. Or Ahmed Haroun. Or Omar al-Bashir. All are wanted for war crimes, yet nobody can be bothered to bring them in.


  • does not negate the prior agreement

    If you check the link, you’ll see that the treaty specifies Israel’s obligations after leaving. Namely, they are obligated to cooperate with active investigations commencing prior to withdrawal.

    They left in 2002. There are no remaining investigations that were active prior to withdrawal.

    it mean they aren’t breaking international law

    They are “breaking international law” in the sense that I am “breaking Russian law” when I protest their invasion of Ukraine.

    Russian law is meaningless to me unless I am in Russia. And the ICC is meaningless unless someone is in a state that accepts ICC jurisdiction.

    There are plenty of people with ICC arrest warrants who have not been dragged to the Hague. Including Putin. They avoid going to the Hague simply by never setting foot in countries under ICC jurisdiction.

    there’s clauses that allow most of those bodies to act directly against them now without reprocussion

    There are no such clauses.

    Keep in mind that the USA also withdrew from the ICC. China never signed at all. Nevertheless, international bodies cannot act against the USA or China “without repercussion”. The same is true of Israel.


  • the hague

    Israel (like the USA) has withdrawn from the Rome Statute and no longer accepts jurisdiction of the ICC.

    Unlike you or me, states are sovereign and are allowed to withdraw from treaty jurisdiction. The ICC even specifies the process for doing so.

    It’s internationally illegal

    Booby traps are banned by the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons. But like all treaties, failure to abide by it simply means Israel’s enemies won’t abide by it.

    Treaties are like contracts. When you sign an employment contract, your employer agrees to pay you and you agree to show up to work. If you fail to show up, your employer can’t really force you to work. They just stop paying you. And if your employer unilaterally decides not to pay you any more then you can decide not to show up to work any more.

    Likewise, if a country exits the EU or NATO or NAFTA or the Geneva Convention, then they stop receiving the benefits of membership. Nothing more.