" My only advise is to mentally correct “men” to “the stereotypical men with traits that this person thinks negatively of” and not take it personally."

yeah except they arent saying this, they are saying men, and assigning those tropes to men? also how are we supposed to not take it negatively when they are the ones who control the converstion, on mens issues?

true because doing anything for men is seen as coddling them,

i dont really disagree with that dang dad on alot.

what i meant by “give a man a mission” is by in leftist spaces, it is often times the reaction of any critisism that men have of feminism is often times reflected back at some cause that is beneficial to the left. Ie the clip of “you are angry at late stage capitalism” tiktok it is often times used as a way of just pacifying men with something to do, instead of addressing their arguments. ]

“Things like universal healthcare and social safety nets have made people’s lives better in other countries, and would make people’s lives better here. Having accessible mental health care would directly help men.”

yeah, i question this due to places like venezuela, cuba and others that have had socialist coups happen on their soil. they have had worse economic woes overtime as a result

“Nobody on the left things that individual men have never been the victims of society - e.g. toxic masculinity. The whole point is that everyone is getting shit on right now.”

yeah well it seems that the left is rather fixated on blaming men (specifically cis het white men) as a collective, even men who fit in the marginalized identities that they say they want to protect, rather than saying everyone is getting shit, so lets work together to fix it.

I wasn’t basing an argument around him but the hypocrisy that we want men to be emotionally vulnerable, until they have politics we don’t like the it is fuck them.

That is what I was highlighting, not that I like Jordan Peterson, as I hate his politics, but If you want men to be vulnerable, it can’t be just men who align with what the left inherently agrees with. It has to be extended to everyone

I never said that I like Jordan Peterson but emotional vulnerability from a man you disagree with isn’t worthy of denigration.

Also what about all of the men who have been oppressed over the years alongside these women? All the men that have been treated differently?

Also when men complain about any issue, there is someone like you chiming in saying this kinda stuff.

can you explain why you feel this way?