Phone number privacy and usernames are now rolling out to everyone using Signal version 7.0! Update your app to take advantage of these new features 🎇
https://signal.org/blog/phone-number-privacy-usernames/
it’s about using technology that prevents mass surveillance. And Telegram is just a bad tool for that.
You did not read, sigh.
What’s your point?
Already stated above. People put themselves in danger by using public groups to discuss dangerous stuff. You prefer using an app that doesn’t give you such a possibility and call it “secure”. It doesn’t make sense if you never wanted to discuss dangerous stuff or use public groups in the first place.
I dont know why you keep arguing that encryption should only be used to discuss dangerous stuff. It should be used to discuss private stuff. Like when I sit with my friends and talk, I want it to be private, not recorded in clear text and saved on some server. Not because it’s illegal or sensitive, but because it’s fucking private. And I can’t do that with Telegram, because it’s doesn’t encrypt my information.
Yes “cloud chat” is not end to end, but only encrypted to the server. That’s what all services to including Facebook and Instagram. If it’s not end to end it’s useless.
Now you’re just denying the obvious. You complained chats on telegram are not encrypted, and that’s false.
That’s what all services to including Facebook and Instagram.
Since both Facebook messenger and Instagram messenger use e2e you seem to really mean just Facebook and Instagram websites. And I wonder how could they be functional if they used e2e.
No I’m being serious here.If it’s not end-to-end encryption in groupchat, it’s not private. And Telegram does not provide e2ee in groupchat. Thats the whole issue. Signal does that. Even iMessage does that.If it’s not e2e somebody else does have access to your chats. In this case everybody with access to Telegrams servers, can read your group chats. And that makes it useless IMO. That is not the case with Signal.
Well then it really is “hey one company decided to do it this way so anything less than that is no longer acceptable” for you. For me, it’s not all about absolute security. From my experience, people seeing my messages through the app and people accessing my phone is much more dangerous than people seeing my messages on a server used by the service. I know roughly what e2e for group chats implies and reasons why it’s not implemented everywhere asap. We’ll see where this leads Signal, maybe we’ll also see cases of someone accessing data on Telegram servers etc.
For now, I mainly use my PC, so not going to infect it with another electron app, or recommend it among friends.
Even iMessage does that.
Seems false as I didn’t find confirmations for that.
Exactly.
You did not read, sigh.
Already stated above. People put themselves in danger by using public groups to discuss dangerous stuff. You prefer using an app that doesn’t give you such a possibility and call it “secure”. It doesn’t make sense if you never wanted to discuss dangerous stuff or use public groups in the first place.
I dont know why you keep arguing that encryption should only be used to discuss dangerous stuff. It should be used to discuss private stuff. Like when I sit with my friends and talk, I want it to be private, not recorded in clear text and saved on some server. Not because it’s illegal or sensitive, but because it’s fucking private. And I can’t do that with Telegram, because it’s doesn’t encrypt my information.
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No group chats are not.
Could you just read the thing? Private and group chats are called cloud chats and the image above describes them. Below is a graph for secret chats.
Yes “cloud chat” is not end to end, but only encrypted to the server. That’s what all services to including Facebook and Instagram. If it’s not end to end it’s useless.
Now you’re just denying the obvious. You complained chats on telegram are not encrypted, and that’s false.
Since both Facebook messenger and Instagram messenger use e2e you seem to really mean just Facebook and Instagram websites. And I wonder how could they be functional if they used e2e.
It’s not and you probably realize that much.
No I’m being serious here.If it’s not end-to-end encryption in groupchat, it’s not private. And Telegram does not provide e2ee in groupchat. Thats the whole issue. Signal does that. Even iMessage does that.If it’s not e2e somebody else does have access to your chats. In this case everybody with access to Telegrams servers, can read your group chats. And that makes it useless IMO. That is not the case with Signal.
Well then it really is “hey one company decided to do it this way so anything less than that is no longer acceptable” for you. For me, it’s not all about absolute security. From my experience, people seeing my messages through the app and people accessing my phone is much more dangerous than people seeing my messages on a server used by the service. I know roughly what e2e for group chats implies and reasons why it’s not implemented everywhere asap. We’ll see where this leads Signal, maybe we’ll also see cases of someone accessing data on Telegram servers etc.
For now, I mainly use my PC, so not going to infect it with another electron app, or recommend it among friends.
Seems false as I didn’t find confirmations for that.