• thecrotch@sh.itjust.works
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    previous self-immolators have been thoroughly ignored

    Arguably a self imolator ended the war in Vietnam. He absolutely got the ball rolling.

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      Arguably a self imolator ended the war in Vietnam.

      No, he fucking didn’t. The Vietnamese breaking the US military through the use of force ended the war in Vietnam.

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          8 months ago

          I hate to be the one to break it to you… but the Vietnamese broke the US military. Swallow all the cope the propagandists have been spoon-feeding you about this since the 70s - it doesn’t change anything.

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            What do you mean by “broke”? I’m quite literally in a class on the Vietnam War this semester, writing a paper about how ineffective our policy of bombing an agrarian society that only needed to supply its forces 50 tons of supplies a day.

            Please, elaborate.

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              ineffective our policy of bombing an agrarian society

              “Ineffective” at what? The indiscriminate carnage that the US visited on SE Asia from the air was possibly the most effective mass-slaughter campaign ever perpetrated by a colonialist power - it was even more effective than the colonialist slaughter Germany visited on eastern Europe and the Soviet Union during WW2.

              So no… as far as the tenets of colonialist warfare is concerned, it was perfectly effective.

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                At stopping supplies and people from moving south?

                So, our goal was genocide? I’m not saying we were the good guys, but clearly we weren’t comparable to the fucking Nazis eastern campaign.

                You still didn’t answer what it meant to break the US military.

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                  but clearly we weren’t comparable to the fucking Nazis

                  Actually, the US actions in SE Asia is very comparable to what Germany and it’s allies did in eastern Europe and Russia… not even the Nazis attempted to use chemical warfare to starve their victim population into submission - the US did.

                  What the Nazis did was nothing unique - it has been standard fare for colonialist powers long before WW2 happened, and it was stadard fare for the US both before and during the (so-called) “Cold War.” The only reason the Nazis became infamous for it was because they literally perpetrated it on the (so-called) “civilized” world’s doorstep on people that looked “white.”

                  You still didn’t answer what it meant to break the US military.

                  That’s because I won’t - there is no need. Col. Robert D. Heinl answered this all the way back in 1971.

                  TLDR - “Our Army that now remains in Vietnam is in a state approaching collapse, with individual units avoiding or having refused combat, murdering their officers, drug-ridden, and dispirited where not near-mutinous.”

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                    What the Nazis did was nothing unique - it has been standard fare for colonialist powers long before WW2 happened, and it was stadard fare for the US both before and during the (so-called) “Cold War.”

                    Homie, I think you should learn some more about the eastern front. The United States wasn’t on an ethnic cleansing campaign in Indochina. The Nazi’s were on an ethnic cleansing campaign.

                    TLDR - “Our Army that now remains in Vietnam is in a state approaching collapse, with individual units avoiding or having refused combat, murdering their officers, drug-ridden, and dispirited where not near-mutinous.”

                    Which had had which major defeats associated with it?