No one has solved a way to make hosting massive amounts of videos cheap, and this is unlikely to happen anytime soon due to the large amount of data storage and bandwidth required.
So no, even if YouTube somehow becomes even more tyrannical than it is it’s unlikely we’ll ever see it decentralized and federated the way Lemmy is in a usable way anytime soon.
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Has anybody done the math? How much would each YouTube user have to pay each month to pay for hosting those videos?
If we want an Internet that doesn’t suck, we need to get over the idea that everything has to be free (as in beer).
@IsThisLemmyOpen Reddit is not dead, yet.
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Neither is Digg. Or myspace. Or many of dozens of services that used to be popular and fell into irrelevance.
Lemmy is irrelevant compared to Reddit. Completely and utterly. There’s what, a single medium-sized subreddit over all instances here?
Being in its infancy doesn’t make it irrelevant.
The three words he typed after irrelevant were kinda important to his point.
And they were implied in my own, but I’m happy to extend my statement for you: Being in its infancy doesn’t make it irrelevant compared to Reddit. In fact, that line of thinking from Reddit’s leadership will lead them to obscurity more quickly than if they take this seriously. Just existing as a viable alternative is a big deal. We haven’t had one for a very long time.
But Reddit is hardly irrelevant. they are still MASSIVE compared to those examples
@thiccdiccnicc Digg, myspace and heck ebaumsworld were all places that eventually started dying at some point. I just deleted my 3rd party app for Reddit to prevent my autopilot from clicking on the icon. If someone like me is done with Reddit, I imagine there’s many that feel the same way. In fact, even if spez stepped down, I don’t think I’d return to a centralized platform anymore.
YouTube won’t die anytime soon because running a Video Streaming Platform is way too expensive if you’re not a big company. So there’s no good alternatives. PeerTube Instances couldn’t handle the massive data that YouTube can
because running a Video Streaming Platform is way too expensive
Youtube CAN die, even without an alternative. But I understood what you meant
Can anyone eli5 why pornhub doesn’t just use their long standing streaming infrastructure to create a sfw site like… Idk “VidHub”? I feel like they could be a genuine competition with very little adjustment.
Youtube is waaaay different from pornhub. The amount of people uploading porn doesnt even begin to approach the amount of people uploading sfw content.
You can feasibly make people pay for porn, especially if you get a hot girl to advertise the content to lonely men.
SFW content though? How do you convince someone to pay for a gaming VOD, or some other type of mundane content? Hosting sfw video is just not profitable on the scale that youtube does it. Not without the backing of some SERIOUS money 😬
…or a hot guy to advertise the content to lonely men 😉
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I don’t think anything will ever replace YouTube. Did you ever wonder why there aren’t many good alternatives?
It’s because video streaming websites are very expensive and usually run at a loss. The storage and bandwidth to support all these users constantly uploading and watching videos is really high. It’s why the Twitch competitor Mixer shut down a few years ago, it was bleeding money.
I use an adblocker and hate ads as much as the next person but imo prople do take these video services for granted. They need ads to survive and I can’t imagine a world where I’d need to pay a subscription to use them.
The question is, what adblockers? It’s very rare that I encounter an adblocker-blocker that doesn’t only work against AdBlock but also against uBo.
I have to wonder how effective PeerTube might be in lessening the bandwidth costs at scale. So far the PeerTube instances I’ve seen have had so few users that I rarely see my computer uploading to other users or other users uploading to me.
Even then peer to peer isn’t a good solution for me because I have limited upload/download where I live.
Ah that’s unfortunate. Bandwidth caps need to die.
Never, the big name content creators will never boycott YouTube like Reddit mods for large subs did because YouTube pays them and no one takes alternatives seriously enough to even just mirror their content on an alternative. I’ve been trying to support YouTube alternatives as much as I can but I’m only one person, I’d be naive to think that I alone could make a difference.
Reddit is far from dead. Most of the subs I care about are back.
Yes, but how long that will remain the case after the mods lose access to their 3rd party tools - will be what dictates it’s future
Youtube is far too expensive for anyone to try and run a competitor to. I don’t think we’ll ever see a replacement.
Google is still losing money on it, and might never make it profitable. There’s a real risk that Youtube just dies on its own and nothing replaces it.
It will be very hard to replace YouTube. Google barely making money from it, if any. The storage you need to host so many videos (some 4k) for free is insane.
Reddit is dead?
It depends on how long people will desire long form video content. Maybe 15 years?
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I’m constantly forced to find new extensions that hide Youtube Shorts because they stop working regularly.
We’re not the demographic anymore
Maybe when technology gets to a certain point all that data storage will be a lot cheaper. Atm the best alternative I have seen is Dailymotion but they are nowhere near the scale of youtube.
Yes! The amount of storage YouTube requires is absolutely bonkers and there’s simply no way to finance that unless you’re backed by a trillion dollar company, unfortunately. AFAIK YouTube still operates on a loss
Not sooner as someone figuring out a way for cheaper video hosting. I don’t think youtube is even profitable.
Peer Tube could take off by us uploading to it and linking it from Lemmy
The only problem is YouTube has a way to monetize their videos, attracting creators who work to make money on the content. PeerTube doesn’t have that yet.
Handling ads and payments is a whole other issue that federated platforms haven’t even begun to tackle yet. Crypto might be a way forward but it’s messy enough that it might turn some people off.
Something like Patreon should work just as well with peertube if it’s otherwise suitable, right?
