cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/11789263
Canada declares Flipper Zero public enemy No. 1 in car-theft crackdown
Sure, let’s ban everything we don’t understand and every tool that can be used to break into something. Next we’ll be banning rocks because they break windows and crowbars because they can be used to jimmy locks.
I think this is the first shot in the open war on technology, there has been a quiet push for years.
Automakers blame an RF toy for their own disgustingly poor security measures, and the government jumps to ban the toy. What happens when Bell declares that only criminals need a VPN to hide their traffic, or Rogers decides that only a hacker would ever need to have server in their home? How about a more general case, cordless angle grinders and sawzalls are the fastest way to steal catalytic converters from cars, how long before they are subject to a ban or can only be sold to “approved” persons?
There’s unironically been calls to ban pointed knives in the UK because they get used in crimes.
What? That’s horrifying!
I know! Clearly the UK is on a level of stranger paranoia that I can’t really fathom. Over here that still sounds like the hyperbole someone would use to argue against restrictions on more complex weapons, not a serious suggestion.
Smh… Lol this is how you end up with widespread vulnerabilities in everything.
Seems more to me like vulnerabilities are widespread in everything, and this thing ended up being made to exploit them?
*edit
Wait, did you mean the same thing I said? Phrasing wasn’t clear to me.Wow, I check back to see if clarification is available and now I have downvotes? People really are getting meanspirited on here.
Yeah I’ve started to notice people are engaging in less good-faith conversation than when I first joined Lemmy last summer.
I think a lot of ex-reddit users, after the initial excitement and novelty of the migration to Lemmy, eventually slipped back into their bad habits from reddit. Reminds me of this this blog post denouncing the unhealthy behaviours that are all too common of online discourse.
Yeah, that’s the bright side here. If they try to control everyone by banning science, bitch, I’ve already got it!
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has identified an unlikely public enemy No. 1 in his new crackdown on car theft: the Flipper Zero
What a fucking ignorant, dickless, corporate cock-sucking, asshat.
The flipper is no different than any laptop or phone + an SDR, it just has an extra spicy collection of software available by default. Literally anyone can assemble the hardware and software needed to duplicate the functionality of the Flipper for a fraction of the price using off the shelf parts.
Honestly they just need an enemy to distract from real potential solutions because solutions are hard. They did the same thing with firearms.
What an asshat indeed.
Yeah, they should definitely have targeted vulnerabilities instead. Human skin should not be so easy to pierce with bullets…
Yes, “hacking tools” equate with firearms.
I mean, that’s typical politician behavior. let’s not pretend the other options are different. This is the shit you have to do to get morons to vote for you.
Of course, they don’t work on vehicles with rolling codes like, you know, all of them since the 90s. But don’t let the facts get in the way of a good do-nothing press opportunity.
How are people even stealing cars by fob, then?
Edit: It’s in the article. By using the fob + an amp or cracking the codes like big boys, neither of which this can do. Flipper Zero should sue the government for defamation.
Yah, they just repeat the signal from a fob near a wall to hit the vehicle, which is now set to always open if the key is near enough. It’s a stupid setup that’s ripe for abuse like this, instead of just having the user press a button like they did before. That would have been impossible to exploit, but convenience always trumps security.
Ima just leave this here…
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cbsa-investigators-auto-theft-1.7108145
Yes yes it’s the flipper’s fault /s
So they are saying I need to invest in one of these devices? I didn’t even know it existed but after seeing what it can do I want one, thanks Canadian government.
Hard to find right now. Seems a lot of people had the same idea and bought a lot of them.
If a car can be stolen with a battery-powered toy of off-the-shelf electronic parts assembled into a cute box, maybe automakers need to modernize their security.
Aw fuck. I should’ve bought one as soon as I heard about the device.
As far as I can tell, it hasn’t been banned yet. So go get one and then don’t get caught with it once the toothless ban comes into force.
God damn, I’m going to build a clone from an old laptop and $40 on Aliexpress.
The price is what kept me from having one already. I always wanted a device like this since I was a kid and the idea was still science fiction.
Ironically, I first heard about it from a video review showing it doesn’t actually do some of these hacks well or at all, such as opening a garage door by duplicating the code of the remote for the garage door.
Yeah lol. You can’t do much unless you have the original device you want to clone or are lucky enough to be within range and time it right when it’s used to capture any signal.
Just buy an SDR USB key
Shouldn’t it be the Ontario Conservatives privatizing service Ontario that’s enabling all these thefts?
So it’s just a small radio? Lol, how the fuck are they going to manage this? Even if they went full North Korea you can make a little SDR from e-waste.
There’s a chance they’ll take the approach they did with guns and just pick an arbitrary collection of specific products. And if they do, it’ll be just as much of a a “dog and pony show”. You’ll still be able to buy and use radios, including ones that can tune to whatever frequency (probably 13.56Mhz).
Now about public enemy no. 1 for car theft being car thieves?
After that, negligent manufacturers.Nah, let’s attack tools instead.
“California declares new illicit super material called ‘porcelain’ public enemy No. 1 for car break in crackdown.”
so uhh… whats a good place to order from?
they’re all unavailable to Canadian addresses :p
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Presumably, such tools subject to the ban would include HackRF One and LimeSDR, which have become crucial for analyzing and testing the security of all kinds of electronic devices to find vulnerabilities before they’re exploited.
This slim, lightweight device bearing the logo of an adorable dolphin acts as a Swiss Army knife for sending, receiving, and analyzing all kinds of wireless communications.
People can use them to change the channels of a TV at a bar covertly, clone simple hotel key cards, read the RFID chip implanted in pets, open and close some garage doors, and, until Apple issued a patch, send iPhones into a never-ending DoS loop.
The price and ease of use make Flipper Zero ideal for beginners and hobbyists who want to understand how increasingly ubiquitous communications protocols such as NFC and Wi-Fi work.
Lost on the Canadian government, the device isn’t especially useful in stealing cars because it lacks the more advanced capabilities required to bypass anti-theft protections introduced in more than two decades.
The most prevalent form of electronics-assisted car theft these days, for instance, uses what are known as signal amplification relay devices against keyless ignition and entry systems.
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They can only steal rich people’s cars (keyless entry) with this, I’m for it. Those are the same people voting down public transit.
They can only steal
rich people’s20 year old cars with thisTil driving a 14 year old Hyundai makes me rich.
I think I’ll have caviar for lunch today
