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MILWAUKEE (CNN) - A woman in Milwaukee says her Kia has been stolen three times, even after she installed a free security upgrade meant to prevent this crime from happening.
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“This software update makes it so that even if they try to plug that USB port in, it’s not going to disable the ignition immobilizer,” Emily Falecki said. “It’s going to keep that intact and it is going to sound the factory alarm.”
Falecki said on Friday that part of this upgrade requires Kia owners to lock their cars with a key fob.
If you don’t use the key fob to lock your vehicle, the upgrade is useless.
So this is a software “fix” for a hardware problem. WTF Kia…
Yeah and then they go and blame the victim for their stupidity.
What does “locking with the key fob” mean? Do they mean actually turning a key in a door lock or pressing a button on the key fob?
They mean you have to press the button. If you lock with the door button or by using the keylock on the outside of a door, it doesn’t work.
Thank you. Also, it’s crazy that the locking behaves differently depending on what methods you use to lock
I found that most cars with a button on the outside of the door to lock behave this way. Pushing that button only locks the doors. You have to press the button on the fob to actually arm the car.
My dad drives a base model Kia - no automatic locks, so no keyfob. Kia’s “fix” was to send him “The Club” with instructions to use it to lock the driving wheel every time he parks.
When he told me the story it was structured like a joke, with the punchline being “guess what their solution is?” before pulling The Club from behind his back and handing it to me. He couldn’t stop laughing.
This literally unlocked a core memory of my parents locking the steering wheel of the family Plymouth Voyager that no one would ever steal. Amazing. Didn’t realize “the club” was still around.
Same! I’m not even sure if it’s even a brand-name Club, so I guess take that as you may
The club is good at what it does.
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If it’s been stolen three times, they’re obviously not stealing it very well.
After 3 times… Maybe, just maybe… She should lock it?
The problem is that the lock does not deserve that name, and the added security from KIA is not much better.
A car door lock is trivial to bypass by any one of like four methods. What stops the car being stolen is the immobilizer chip. The immobilizer that Kia declined to install in their cars.
After 3 times she should just buy a Honda instead, those at least come with baseline security features.
A lot of these Kia/Hyundai articles deceptively/vaguely refer to a “security upgrade” which sounds official and IMO will make most think, “oh, so like a software update or kill switch type thing installed in the structure of the car’s built in security systems”
And in reality, they just sent a cheap version of “the club”, and only to some people. And of course there are videos online that show how the club actually makes it easier for a thief without the proper tools to use it as a tool to HELP steal your car.
If there were any justice against abusive corporations, the class action suite would be major here.
No, there really was a “recall” where they notified drivers to bring cars to the dealership for some software patch to address the issue.
My mom did it, and it broke her remote start function. So it did change something regarding starting, but apparently, it didn’t really fix the original problem.
I’m a Hyundai owner, can say that I didn’t receive anything, when into dealership for all regular service early January, and I’m in the affected class. Nothing happened, no conversation about security - there was one about the engine catching fire and a notice that were supposed to park our cars outside until it can be inspected.
I feel bad for Kia. Their new design actually stands out but I could never buy a Kia car again in a long time after this fuck up
Dont feel bad for them. This is a direct, purposeful choice they made to save a few dollars per car in the US because we are one of the few countries that doesnt require an immobilizer by law. They actually had to change their global design to specifically make their cars much, much more susceptible to theft, and the execs that made the decision did it knowingly and willingly to juice the share price.
None of those execs that have caused tens of thousands of Kia/Hyundai owners intense issues have faced any justice at all. From their perspective, everything worked out great. Until there is some actual, real imapct on the people that made this incredibly damaging and stupid choice, its clear Kia/Hyundai will just do it again given the chance.
When they fire the people responsible and issue a US wide recall that installs the hardware chips for all the effected models, then they can have some mercy. Until then, fuck them because they will fuck you.
They actually had to change their global design to specifically make their cars much, much more susceptible to theft, and the execs that made the decision did it knowingly and willingly to juice the share price.
Certainly global but its even worse. Canada requires immobilizers which Kia/Hyundai put in at the factory. Kia/Hyundai made the choice to not even have unified North American model so they could cut costs.
Kia/Hyundai made the choice to not even have unified North American model so they could cut costs.
This is one of those outcomes that the people who crap on about the invisible hand of the market never want to admit is a direct result of the outright hostility to regulation in so many sections of the USA.
I traded in my Kia for a Subaru at the beginning of this year. It felt like a huge block of anxiety was lifted off my shoulders as I no longer worry of coming out to an empty parking space every morning. I agree, Hyundai/Kia make beautiful looking cars nowadays, but I’m probably never buying one again.
I immediately went and bought a Kia because of this fuck up. I live in a rural area and hardly ever visit any kind of heavy suburban areas where this kind of issue is prevalent. If I do I find a good parking garage to use.
Because of all the stuff going on with KIA I was able to pick up a 2016 Kia Sorento EX with all the bells and whistles for 6k Uber KBB. It is hands down the nicest car I’ve ever owned.
I got a KIA in 2009 with windows that roll up with a crank. It was super cheap, but it ran like a dream. When I broke up with my ex in 2014, I let her keep it and I switched to a Ford, because poor/cheap.
Now surprised my Ford is still ticking. Where the KIA, my ex had it stolen and never found it.
It’s still running too. I also have a 2009 (Spectra) and I think it might outlast my 2016 Optima. Sucks because for a while there, they made really great reliable cars. Now who even knows. Not all their cars suck but mine has an unlimited warranty now because of a class action and how shitty the engine in this car is so that’s not very promising.
That “security upgrade” - wasn’t that featured by the Lockpicking Lawyer? IIRC he took only seconds to unlock it.
The first thing they did was offer free steering wheel locks. Yes, I believe LPL got his hands on one and showed how cheaply made and easily bypassed it is. Since then, they’ve also offered a reinforced ignition cylinder and a software update that is supposed to not allow the car to start without the key in the ignition. I don’t know why they haven’t just retro-fitted the cars with an immobilizer circuit, the lack of which is what started this whole thing. The software update obviously isn’t doing the same job.
Sell it, get a civic
What is the resale value of a car that most people would not touch with a ten foot pole?
Not great. Mine is in good shape (just had its first repair, ignition coils), and its worth is $4k on Kelly blue book.
I would love to pitch it, just for the driving experience (only car I’ve ever had that feels unsafe), but all the depreciation that can happen already has. It would be stupid to sell it now, I’d be throwing away thousands.
So are you going to sell it when the price falls even more? Or wait until it becomes vintage?
I’ve essentially already paid depreciation, so I’m going to drive it until the wheels fall off and sell it for scrap.
Unfortunately, it is a soul, so it is absolutely not going to become vintage lol.
If it’s not an econobox, then you’ll still get blue book for it anyway, despite being a Kia. Genesis Coupes are still going for about for $15K, for example.
I was wondering how they stole it twice after it was changed to immobilise when locked with the key fob.
TL;DR - The owner was an idiot that didn’t immobilise the car by locking it with the key fob.
The company is the idiot
The owner never locked the car. You can’t blame the company for that.
It’s perfectly valid for an unlocked car to not have it’s immobilizer switch on. The cars unlocked, it fair to assume the key holder wanted it to be accessible.
Apparently it’s somewhat common in poorer areas to leave your car unlocked, it keeps criminals from smashing your window in.
“The door is unlocked, therefore it is fair to assume the driver wants to be able to start the car and drive it away without the key present in the vehicle”
The alternative is… The car auto locks itself? What if you leave your key inside?
No. It’s not on the company to EVER lock the car because consequences can be deadly.
I had a car that would auto lock the doors.
It was also a keyless start, so the fob may be built totally differently.
That being said, if your keys were detected, it would prevent the auto lock.
It’s a less secure default, but at the same time people would be pissed if they had to call a lock smith all the time.
But she got it back right? And that’s what counts… To 3.
Yeah and it’s even good for the environment because other people got to use it when she wasn’t. saving them from buying a whole new car that would have polluted the environment even more. Also those 3 people won’t be traveling much now that they are in jail.
Excellent observations! Indeed, if the engine never stopped, then we wouldn’t spend time warming up the engine with a cold catalytic converter. But jail is indeed great at removing cars from the road.
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Those Kia boys at it again
Why is anyone stealing older Kias?
No immobiliser.
So you can hotwire it like a vintage car.
Most cars are much more difficult to start.
Most countries made immobilisers mandatory in the 90s, the US doesn’t like regulations that corporations have to follow.
So you can hotwire it like a vintage car.
Its almost like a replaceable sheer pin could be installed so when they break the steering lock, it brakes the steering post into two pieces that require special tools to replace and would waste more time than steeling and repairing it would be worth.
So next time someone tries to steal your car, it costs YOU $4k to fix it afterward. Nice.
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Half an hour labor for replacing a steering column?
Yeah I’m gonna need you to point me towards your mechanic, because I’ve got a rear main seal that needs replacing, and according to those numbers I should be able to get my transmission dropped down for about a buck fifty.
Unless I’m severely misunderstanding what you’re talking about.
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I’m really not being dramatic, I want to know how you expect to pull and replace this pin in half an hour if it’s a part of the steering column assembly. Steering column R&R is minimum 3 hours almost no matter what car it’s on, source being I literally do this for a living every day.
Also it’s called a shear pin, not a “sheer” pin. I do know what they are, and I know how to spell it too. Sure, the pin is five bucks. How do you expect to access it? That’s where your cost and labor comes in. If the column needs to come out - which it usually does, in 99% of all cases where it’s being worked on - whoever told you they can do it in a half hour told you a big fat stankin’ lie right to your face.
Joy ride and running drugs are common reasons to steal any old car. Whoever has been stealing it clearly isn’t doing so to keep it since the same car keeps getting stolen again.
Whoever has been stealing it clearly isn’t doing so to keep it since the same car keeps getting stolen again.
It seems like it has to do more with her neighborhood than the model itself.
Old and boring story to share
I bought my ex a brand new 2008 Kia Spectra. It had a decent 2.2 liter DOHC and was very good in the snow.
However, it had an annoying alarm that would go off seemingly if a fly landed on it but if someone bumped into it, it would work when it felt like it.
The last straw: We had just settled down on a crowded beach and it went off. By the time I got to the car
It was surrounded by people arguing whether to smash a window or force open the hood all in a matter of 1-2 minutes
The beach entranceway was a long ass stair case btw. These people disbursed as I apologized to them all individually.
This beach is in a State camp ground so all these people are there to get away from noise and traffic.
That was the day we pulled the fuse.
Because they’re easy to steal.
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“ This software update makes it so that even if they try to plug that USB port in, it’s not going to disable the ignition immobilizer,” Emily Falecki said. “It’s going to keep that intact and it is going to sound the factory alarm.”
**Falecki said on Friday that part of this upgrade requires Kia owners to lock their cars with a key fob.
If you don’t use the key fob to lock your vehicle, the upgrade is useless.
“At this point, I don’t want to invest in Kia or Hyundai at the moment, like, I definitely am looking for a new car,” Nguyen said.”
So …she’s just refusing to use the fob? Like how many cars work?
