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    Considering that it’s already illegal to force students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, or even stand for it, this is at best idiotic, and at worst, a gateway to overturning the bit about the Pledge and opening the gates to political indoctrination of children.

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      Right-wing performative patriotism is there to stop people from thinking that their country could be better, because of course it’s already the best.

      Actual patriotism is the act of improving your home to be worthy of pride.

      Remember when conservatives were freaking out at Colin Kaepernick because he wasn’t doing the performance right? Because he was trying to bring attention to the plight of black folks in our country? It’s because they confuse nationalism with patriotism; they were pissed at Kaepernick for “hating America,” when he was saying “we should be better.”

      The nationalists don’t want to country to work for everyone though.

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      Since when? Did it happen during or after the whole “take a knee” thing? I definitely had to do it until at least 8th grade which was 1999-2000.

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    which would require all teachers and students at Iowa schools to sing at least one verse of the national anthem every day

    That’s weirder than requiring the whole thing.

    Doubtful Trump could get through a whole verse correctly even with a prompter.

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        My dad had to take the citizenship test like 40 years ago and he still remembers the most weirdly-pointless shit no one should ever care about like “Ben Franky didn’t discover electricity but he was the first postmaster general”

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      Looking forward to the videos of the kids singing:

      No refuge could save the hireling and slave

      From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,

      That’s from the third verse.

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    I’d love for someone there to explain to me what problem they think they are solving here.

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      woke anti america thinking. because how dare a teenager be able to think for themselves and realize that this country did and does unjustifiably shitty things and hasn’t acknowledged or apologized for them.

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        For a moment, I thought you were calling the students woke and was really confused.

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    you know what the quickest way is to make a kid resent their country? force meaningless ceremony on them every day.

    i was forced to say the pledge of allegiance every day up until high school. it was a bit of a shock to not be forced to say it my freshman year. I can’t imagine how bad it would be to be forced to say the pledge and sing the anthem every day. especially if you get some of those teachers who have a flagpole stuck up their asses that they will give some sort of administrative punishment if you sang the magical flag song wrong. I think I’d tell my parents I was just going to live in detention all year.

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      I was born in a country in which this happened. We didn’t resent it, but it was annoying.

      And no one wanted to sing it too loud because it was embarrassing.

      But that’s what life was. Today I think it was bullshit. But back then it was just another stupid thing to do, just like getting up early to go to fucking school.

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      We definitely had to do the same thing as well. It’s been 2 decades since I graduated high school (I hate that fact…) and I can’t remember if it ended in high school completely, or if we had to at least stand while it played.

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    I can think of not a lot of easier ways to make both students and teachers un-patriotic. This kind of stuff doesn’t work like they think it does.

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      I remember everyone kind of half-assing the forced pledge in school. Many of us didn’t even move our lips most of the time. Some smart-asses would sub in various swear words at times, too.

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        I was an extremely un-rebellious kid and I used to not say the “under God” part.

        People aren’t stupid. Of this kind of stuff is backed up with violent repression of dissent, it can kind of work. Not really. If it’s just “everybody stand up and say the words,” I think it instills more cynicism than anything else.

        Of course, they want to bring in the violent repression, and they like for the citizens to be cynical as it plays into some of their bad faith tactics, so I definitely won’t say this is harmless.

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    If a teacher chooses not to lead the class in singing the national anthem, the school’s principal would be required to find another teacher to lead the singing.

    I bet all the principals in Iowa will love this, when all of the teachers refuse to do it. Or there’ll be one or two compliant teachers per school who will subsequently be required to make the rounds to every classroom every day.

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      Every day, one teacher is the designated singer. The principal will not be told who it is and must locate them. Sing slowly, try different volumes and ranges until you wreck your voice, get paid time off to recover (maybe with some extra steps involving lawyers).

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    It’s conditioning. The children are a captive audience. They do not have the option to stay seated and not participate. They are compelled to take part in this, by the government.

    Article 1, section 7 of Iowa’s constitution states:

    Liberty of speech and press. Every person may speak, write, and publish his sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of that right. No law shall be passed to restrain or abridge the liberty of speech, or of the press. In all prosecutions or indictments for libel, the truth may be given in evidence to the jury, and if it appears* to the jury that the matter charged as libellous was true, and was published with good motives and for justifiable ends, the party shall be acquitted. *In the original text, the word is “appear”, see original Constitution, Art. I, §7

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      Captive audience, maybe, but they absolutely have the option to stay seated. West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943).

      Compelled speech is a hill any American patriot should be willing to die on, literally if necessary.

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        I had a teacher in high school who had in his classroom a sign that compelled standing for the pledge. our school also played the anthem too and I’ll bet that mandate carried over too. I didn’t have him 1st period so I never had to endure any of that.

        he was also quite literally the worst teacher I ever had. he didn’t teach anything. it was basically a class where you sat, listened to him lecture about bullshit, call him sir every time, and sit and write on a topic to a specific word count. also a self described white married with children christian who (I didn’t find out until well after I graduated) hit on the black girls in class, but you probably knew that already.

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          but you probably knew that already.

          Never ask a white supremacist the race of their girlfriend.

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    "Pledge your allegiance or SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES!"

    -The same people that use China as a boogeyman.

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        Totally.

        Right-wingers don’t hate Chinese authoritarianism ideologically, they just see China as a rival authoritarian regime to the one they want to create here that they delude themselves into believing will carry out their interests.

        I’ve little doubt that if the fascist takeover succeeds, a third World War, that we instigate, won’t be far behind.

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    GOP: “Books in school libraries are indoctrinating out children, if those children go get those particular books”

    Also GOP: “You school children, you’re required to sing the national anthem every day”

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    Meanwhile in Michigan they’re trying to make community College free…