they scrubed there no ip logs policy years ago
Tldr: Yes, still secure and private.
What are they supposed to do as an internationally known and used company? Reject legal proceedings and ignore official national laws?
I mean, the answer to that is clearly they should structure their service to store the absolute least possible personal information needed to allow the service to function so that when a legitimate law enforcement agency comes knocking they can honestly say they don’t have much.
Which… appears to be pretty much what they do.
I agree with you. Losing the protection of a right – even one as fundamental as privacy – is by definition not a violation so long as that happens through due process. Now we can certainly talk a lot about what level of process is due, and I’m sure it will be basically unanimous that current standards around the world are FAR too accommodating to law enforcement, but at least in principle a warrant justifies the invasion of privacy. That’s what the warrant is for.
This story kind of makes me want to switch all my stuff to ProtonMail.
Yeah I would agree with you that given the service they provide (email is brutal), they couldn’t really collect any less info or improve security/privacy much more.
they could not log the ips
Change their advertising
And what advertising is that precisely? No data ( emails, passwords, drive files ) were shared with the authorities. So the data is still secure and private.
As far as I can tell they haven’t falsely advertised.
I’d give them bonus points for transparency ( publishing how many court ordered subpoenas they receive on a yearly basis ) compared to other companies that don’t.
Other companies which are prominent in the privacy/secure email scene face similar issues.
I think you’re mixing up anonymity with privacy. It can definitely be more anonymous, but you would need to take steps for that yourself ( Tor, VPN, … ).
How though? They advertsize themselves as the privacy-conscious Google alternative which they very much are. Idk if I’ve just not been exposed to (their) ads, but do they make all kinds of unreasonable claims like being outside of all legal jurisdiction?
Stop mentioning 0 log stuff on their products. That’s all
LMAO, the downvotes. Stop the bootlicking, please, asking for not lying in the promotions is not that big of a deal
My threat model is not LE, its google, facebook, etc. If me using privacy services happens to make LE’s job harder well thats just the cherry on top.
At the same time it’s also important that the provider only complies with requests where it legally has to. I trust Proton to act this way.
The article is actually pretty balanced. Yes Proton is secure and private, but if you’re hiding from law enforcement, don’t expect a third party to take the fall for you.
Well I’m a customer and I think it’s fine if the requests are legitimate. The question then of course is what is legitimate.
Its always about petty shit like piracy. You’d wish it was all them catching CSAM creators but thats a sliver of it. They’d be catching more rich dudes if it was.
Arresting XR rebels… So jo, it’s not legitimate at all
My understanding is that the email is encrypted still so… they hand over the encrypted data which might be useless.
(CEO did a podcast this week for a Linux podcast)
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I thought the email body is e2e encrypted nowadays by default(?). And I mean regardless of who your provider is.
I suppose they now keep logs of their VPN service too then.
Swiss law doesnt allow complying with VPN services afaik.
ProtonVPN and ProtonMail are completely seperate too.
Do you mean the law doesn’t allow forcing the VPN service to comply with VPN log requests by authorities?
And what do you mean by “completely separate”?
Proton VPN… is operated by the Swiss company Proton AG, the company behind the email service Proton Mail.
@sqgl @ReakDuck
From what I understood :
Under Swiss laws, VPN providers are not forced to log anything.
They also can’t comply with orders coming from a foreign country if not approved by Swiss authorities.
If someone is put under surveillance, he/she have to know that.However, always remind that that’s just the law, not what is technically possible. If you’re considered as a real threat for an important country, neither Switzerland or any country will protect you.
ProtonMail was not even against cooperation with the RuSSian terrorist government, and this post was still downvoted, funny.
Have you already decided whether privacy is important to you or not?
