• DreamButt@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      What idiot thinks anyone wants “stuff for free.” What the fuck do you think taxes are? We aren’t expecting people to shit houses out of their asses. We’re expecting our government WHICH WE PAY to provide us with basic dignity

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        Did you not read the comic?

        Also, I’m not sure why you think the government owes every citizen a house.

        I’m not arguing against social safety nets, but straight up paying for housing for every citizen is how you end up with everyone living in shoebox apartments.

        I’m sure that you haven’t even considered the numbers at all on this. If you think the current taxes will pay for it, you’re mistaken.

        Even if we took the entire military budget, that would be less than $2,500 per citizen per year.

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          “it took me three seconds to come up with a BAD implementation, which not a single person in this thread asked for, which doesn’t work! Therefore ALL implementations are bad! Ha!”

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      There’s an entire corpus of books and documents critiquing the current system and on how a society based on mutual aid would work. None of them “expect everything to be provided for free”.

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      I am not aware of a way to have coercion free society. But I am very sure we can massively reduce the amount of coercion necessary to keep our current society running well.

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        Not disagreeing, but the message of “cancel all rent and mortgages,” is silly and shows a clear lack of understanding on how the world works.

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      “Hey wait a second why isn’t the state enforcing my property relations for free? The peasants aren’t paying rent, someone shoot them!”

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        10 months ago

        Progress and Poverty, and you still can’t just have everything for free even in a better system.

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          Wouldn’t the LVT+UBI that Henry George proposes effectively cancel rent and then some? We’d be getting paid 100% of the surplus from land use, not just a safety net.

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          I’ll have to add that to my list, always looking to learn more.

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            It’s a good read, makes you realize how swindled we got, and what we might have had if they’d adopted these ideas in the late 1800’s.

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          Considering you cant name a book, i doubt it. I’m currently reading The Value of Everything by Mariana Mazzucato and Yurugu by Marimba Ani. I cant recommend both of them enough. Its about culture as much as it is about economics.

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            This is some hard hexbear vibes. Asking for titles of books read is unbearably cringe.

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              If one is a student if economics, naming a book on economics to confirm your bonafides is as low a bar to jump over as humanly possible. Books aren’t cringe, you are just basic.

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                  Says the user, who’s last post was wishing for more porn on the internet, bahahaha

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                    Mega cringe you looked at my post history, saw a monkeys paw shitpost and thought I was being serious.

                    Updoots

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            I mean, no. I’m not going to go dig up the syllabus for my econ classes just to prove a point.

            You clearly don’t understand economics if you think paying for housing for 335,000,000 citizens is even remotely feasible without a major tax increases on everyone.

            Communism is a nice thought experiment, but it’ll never actually work because humans are awful.

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              “Humans are awful” is why they call econ the dismal science; did they actually present that as a reason why communism wouldn’t work when your classes covered it?

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              So you haven’t read a book on economics since you graduated, got it.