A new crash recently in Alabama, but a reminder to something that we all know. Burning Teslas are far more difficult to extinguish than any other car.

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    10 months ago

    Find me any proof of any lifepo4 cells having a self-oxidizing event. Spoiler alert: you can’t, because there’s no reaction that can happen with lifepo4 that will strip oxygen out of phosphate. UL listed companies sell lifepo4 batteries as non-combustible. I highly recommend looking into modern battery chemistry, becase they’re way safer than people think.

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      10 months ago

      There’s plenty of proof in academic literature. FePO4 is quite stable because of the quirks in iron’s valance up to about 500C. But the combination of of lithium skews the valance effects at high temperatures to start losing oxygen at 250C.

      Please review the following literature for more information:

      1. C. Delacourt, P. Poizot, J-.M. Tarascon, and C. Masquelier, Nat Mater., 4, 254 (2005).
      2. J.L Dodd, R. Yazami, and B. Fultz, Electrochem. Solid-State Let., 9, A151 (2006).
      3. G. Chen, .XSong, and T. J. Richardson, J. Electrochem. Soc,. 154, 4627 (2007).
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        10 months ago

        How much oxygen are we talking here? I’m guessing not much, as they wouldn’t be allowed to sell lifepo4 batteries as non combustible if they had any real chance of causing a self sustaining fire. So level with me so I don’t have to trudge through a bunch of academic papers: How much oxygen do they mention?

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          10 months ago

          The stoichometry comes out with 2:1 moles of lfp to diatomic oxygen which is significant

          The combustibility you’re referring to is a legal definition not a scientific one