• BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I don’t wish to disparage people’s spiritual beliefs, but I’m sorry nobody should have to go around wearing anything like this, no matter what faith you come from. You should have the freedom to EXIST as yourself and show who you are. This niqab stuff is abuse.

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      9 months ago

      I do wish to disparage people’s spiritual beliefs, so I’ll just say that religion is the greatest evil ever created by humankind.

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        9 months ago

        Was just about to say. Fuck organized religion, fuck tolerating bigotry and intolerance in the name of acceptance and pluralism. Religion is something to be overcome not assimilated.

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        IMO religion shouldn’t exist in 21st Century.

        We have machines going beyond solar system, scientific evidence that earth revolves around Sun , ability to interact with people on the other side of globe instantly and more…

        None of these things have religion ever predicted. And sometimes even being grossly wrong.

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          9 months ago

          Modern society could not have formed without religion. So yeah, it’s hell.

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        9 months ago

        So you’re telling me that killing hundreds of thousands of people maybe even millions over the years in the name of some character which no one has any physical evidence exists and the people that follow along subconsciously know it’s fake however they are too afraid of not having some fictional guiding light is bad??? You’re wrong, Jesus saves!!!¡¡!¡!!! /s

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      9 months ago

      What matters is that they can’t get education and economic independence, who gives a shit about dress codes

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      People’s spiritual belief should be limited to themselves, the moment you enforce your religious rules on anyone else it’s no longer OK and should be disparaged. Everyone should have the freedom to dress as a beekeeper, no one should have the obligation to do so.

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      We don’t really want your values or morals. I don’t care about hijab, but the West has nothing of value to offer Muslim women.

      Even as a Saudi I feel it is not my place to police Afghans. Their country, their business. At least they aren’t sending bastard soldiers to invade other countries.

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      9 months ago

      You have your culture, they have theirs. You should be more concerned with US and NATO war crimes, rather than policing the culture of people who just want to be left alone.

      The West is welcome [not really] to try spending 2.4 trillion dollars and 20 years in Afghanistan again. Maybe one more bomb is all it takes to make them westernize… ;)

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        9 months ago

        “Don’t concern yourself with (issue), concern yourself with (another issue).”

        • Afghanistan could have been further developed by now if the US didn’t occupy it for 20 years.

          Progress is happening regardless. Afghanistan now for example has local photovoltaic solar panel production.

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            9 months ago

            I’m not going to stop caring about women because Afghanistan has solar panels. To me that’s absurd.

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              To me it is absurd that western countries don’t care for their own people but pretend to care about people half way across the world. It is all a scam to sell wars to the people and you fell for it. If you want Afghanistan to develop and progress leave it alone. You tried establishing a puppet state and it collapsed immediately, count your losses and move on.

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                Why do you assume I don’t care for my own people?

                If you want Afghanistan to develop and progress leave it alone.

                I’m sorry but I just find it hard to not care about the despicable treatment of women there. It’s messed up. Me not caring about the women there is not going to benefit them.

                You tried establishing a puppet state and it collapsed immediately, count your losses and move on.

                I tried?

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                  Why do you assume I don’t care for my own people?

                  The degrading conditions and quality of life in most western countries suggest that the people don’t care.

                  I’m sorry but I just find it hard to not care about the despicable treatment of women there. It’s messed up. Me not caring about the women there is not going to benefit them.

                  If your care is sincere there are ways to help other than building up a narrative for sanctions or invasions. There was a point in time when Saudi Arabia was rural and conservative, with time it has developed, and now females outperform males in academic achievement. For another example, look at nearby Iran which has an urban and educated population.

                  Do you know anything about material and socioeconomic conditions? Afghanistan haven’t had a moment of political stability, and was never given a chance.

                  I tried?

                  Western states are democracies aren’t they? Their actions reflect the will of the people. Though you may be from the countries that didn’t join the US-led invasion.

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              And you don’t have HSR or free healthcare. I finished university like most Saudis with money saved. In Saudi Arabia the university pays you, I’d rather have this than a false choice between 99% Hitler and 100% Hitler. Go beg your government for student loan forgiveness.