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    Stranger on the internet: Let me tell you why you are wrong to enjoy this thing and should feel terrible for having the gall to even try.

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        That one is just plain truth though. I’ve got a few hobbies like photography, watchmaking, gaming, knives… The cheapest options are never good.

        You should always buy more than you think you need at that time. Because if you do grow in that hobby, you won’t be limited right out of the gate.

        You just wouldn’t enjoy playing the cheapest guitar, painting with the cheapest paints or cursing the cheapest woodworking tools.

        I’ve always bought better stuff than I needed and have never regretted doing so.

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          As a counter example, I bought a $100 camera from a pharmacy when I was 15 that took low to mid quality photos and I was so happy with it. I learned about focus, bokeh, framing, etc despite having like 6 preset settings, and that got me into photography. Later I bought a low end DSLR and took 1000 pictures a day during the summer.

          For wood carving a $60 set of knives was enough to get me into the hobby, now I get to spend too much money on stuff.

          Cheap options can be very helpful to find out if you like something.

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            There is some minimum that seems to work well enough in a lot of hobbies. Can’t always go for the cheapest, but you may not have to go that high, either.

            Amateur astronomers tend to hate on Walmart telescopes, and there are reasons for that. Still, the optics in any of them are better than Galileo had, and he saw a lot (admittedly, he also didn’t have a hopelessly light polluted sky). It’s a matter of setting expectations.

            A $25 Baofang can get you into amateur radio after getting your technician license. There’s even a version now that doesn’t spew spurious emissions on harmonic frequencies and fuck things up for everyone else.

            I once traded a somewhat older GPU for a fretless bass, amp, and effect pedal. The guy had just moved, his GPU died, and seemed like he wanted to get rid of some of his stash. While that was an exception, there’s probably some guitar guy in your city that wants to clear some stuff out and is willing to make a deal.

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            I started off with a Canon Digital Ixus as the first ‘real’ camera that I bought. Absolutely adored it. A full metal build and about the size of a cigarette packet. I took it everywhere and shot a few vacations on it.

            But it honestly wasn’t until I got my Canon EOS 350D that I could actually attempt to really learn photography. Because now I could use manual settings, learn how to use them, use filters, try new techniques, get more creative, etc.

            When I needed to invest in something like a flash, tripod or lens I always applied the same thinking: buy it so it can grow with you. Of course, eventually we got full circle and I ended up back at analog photography developing B&W Minox film in my kitchen :D

            Anyways, I’ve never regretted buying better, but I’ve definitely regretted cheaping out. So I don’t if I can avoid it.

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      I do hate that whenever I mention I liked an older show I get “oooh, you know about the producer/lead actor/writer right?” And then I find out something awful and depressing.

      How was everyone in show business so fucking terrible? Did Satan require a cosigner on any new media produced or something, like what the hell?

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        As a vinyl collector, it really feels impossible to completely avoid problematic older bands. So many of them pulled heinous shit, and often the bigger they were, the more opportunities they had to indulge their worst impulses. But how can we study history without acknowledging our ancestors accomplishments and failures?

        I figure if they are dead, they can’t hurt anybody anymore, and neither can they benefit. Same goes for buying used.

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        I just accept that myself and everyone likes things that are shit and that’s okay. Criticizing and insulting media for being shit is also fun, but that doesn’t mean anything about the person who enjoys watching it because we all have shit we enjoy.

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          Yeah, I love the messages and philosophy of Star Trek, but Rick Berman the guy who produced a whole generation of shows was allegedly piece of shit.

          It doesn’t make Jean Luc Picard anything bad character, it just makes Rick Bernan a piece of shit.

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        Buddy, that’s kind of the good side of fandom. The bad side is all the people telling you you’re a stupid piece of shit if you like X character/plot/episode/whatever. Also, the ones writing the really fucked up fanfic that makes you say, “um what the hell happened to you?”

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            They said fan art of characters fucking. That’s pretty normal. Not my thing, but I get it. There are WAY, way worse things people create than that that go way beyond even kinky sex. I’m pretty sure just the tags on AO3 for some of it have scarred me for life.

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        Ah, the “straight relationships are illegal” fandoms…

        “Quick! The showrunners just introduced an opposite sex couple immediately after three same sex ones! We have to make one character bi and the other pan!”

        “Oh my gosh! The mean-girl character just started sucking up to a kid she used to be friends with who has since become her social superior in the most transparent power grab of all time! It must mean she had a lesbian crush the entire time!”

        siiiiiiiigh

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        Queerbaiting is absolutrly a thing, and worth being annoyed at. If a show constantly hints that two same-sex people are gay for each other, then never actually follows through, that’s annoying.

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      Objection stranger, you are very wrong and have fundamental issues! You’ll never get better.

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      Also, I’m going to call right now the entire plot of the second season, and if it doesn’t aline with what I think should happen, then the show is garbage and the writing is bAd.

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      You’re not just wrong for thinking something different about a consumer habit I have, you’re a morally bad person for it too.

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    Easiest way to start hating your new hobby is visiting it’s subreddit.

    It’s obvious for video games because you can assume anyone that wants to be active on a specific game sub is probably a try hard that talks about the meta, or max DPS builds, or other annoying stuff. But then you visit something like the carbon steel pan subreddit, or grilled cheese, and you’re continually assaulted with this idea that there are only specific pans and oils that are correct, or that your grilled cheese isn’t actually a grilled cheese because it was cooked too close to an open pack of salami.

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        Cute cat sneezes

        Top comment: “This cat is gonna die Tomorrow from feline airborn disease, his left eye twitched 2.3ms longer than the norm which means…”

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          Here is an actual thing that was sent to me

          “If you don’t wash your guineas with unscented coconut oil once a week you don’t deserve to own them.” Like fuck off man

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            I can just imagine the person writing that with a smug grin on their face, nodding slowly as they finish with a “you don’t deserve to own them” and feeling all good about themselves.

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      Video game communities suck, and it makes playing them worse.

      You play an FPS and everyone uses the meta gun at the time, then it gets nerfed and they use the new meta gun. Same with RTS and any other multiplayer game. Somehow StarCraft 1 pulled out a perfect rock paper scissors balance, but nothing else really has that so meta is what people do.

      And because everyone is so busy grinding and min maxing, that’s what the game developers design for now, and it sucks the fun out of games because you just grind hours to get some new items to have the best items in the game.

      Occasionally game communities are good. The Chivalry 2 subreddit had a bot that would use GPT to answer questions and then on every post go on about how the polehammer is the best weapon in the game, which was so over the top it made fun of the whole meta idea. The Breath of the Wild communities doing crazy rube Goldberg machines are always fun. And I’ll never not enjoy the weird hellscapes people create in the Sims.

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        then it gets nerfed and they use the new meta gun

        OMG, this was what killed overwatch for me. I’m disabled and can’t play games that require fast paced precise and concise actions. So Symetra was my jam. I tried other characters like torbjorn but the all had the same problem. Some 13 yo genji prick would hop circles over my head while my health ticked away and I shot sporadically around at the sky before I inevitably die. But not Sym. All I had to do was backpedal and keep that grasshopper mf’er in my general view. And pop. Pulling him into a doorway with 6 kill lasers was the best feeling the in the world. But that enabled me to be useful to the rest of the team. I occasionally did good enough that I ranked in the top of the match, but I was almost never carried.

        And then they nerfed sym because, “nOt EnOuGh PrO pLaYeRs PiCk HeR!!¡!!” No more walking shield. No more turret web. No more over shield for the team. No more wide lock on gun. They turned her into just another precision shooting player. She had a Halloween bag of tricks and they swapped it for a tooth brush.

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        You play an FPS and everyone uses the meta gun at the time

        This is why I miss arena shooters (Quake, Unreal Tournament, Halo, etc.) being in vogue. There are no loadouts, no inherent differences between players, you’re all equal, and any weapons, ammo, grenades, powerups, vehicles, whatever, must be picked up from the map itself. This map doesn’t have a lightning gun/rocket launcher/banshee? Well tough shit, you’re going to have to do without.

        These are games where you must fight with whatever comes to hand, no matter how much you dislike it, and that leaves almost no space for a meta. The closest thing that can exist is a general consensus of “for this situation, these are the weapons you want to have, and these are the weapons you really do not want to be in this situation with”.

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      Last time this happened to me was when I said I liked an experimental musician’s youtube channel cause he has a lot of content about his process etc. Got reamed in the comments by a salty user cause the musician once featured a product in a video made by a brand that it’s popular to hate, yet used by many musicians. One of the most reddit things ever.

      The same subreddit heavily discouraged me, in classic reddit style, from getting a product once. I did anyway following my intuition. Then a year later it became the most recommended product for that purpose.

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        Like I watched the Musical episode in Strange New Worlds, and really liked it. It was strange but fresh. I laughed out loud at the Klingon part. But then I got online and it was just hate. So stupid. And I’m a HUGE tng fan

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      Even when it crasehd every hour I had a blast, I learned how to tell if it was about to crash and I would save and rebbot

      I’m playing it again and it looks great on v2.1

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      It was a damn good game at launch, and it just got better over time. I defend it always since I had a blast, had very few and only minor bugs/issues, and got a ton of time out of it for the money.

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      I think I liked it more on launch than I do now. I had all of like 5 bugs my first 3 times through the game before they started changing things.

      • A dude that pops into existence during the scene at Tom’s Diner and Gumby t-poses out a wall
      • a random T-posing baddie when I zoomed in my first sniper rifle
      • the painting exploit
      • the melee weapon exploit when doing the boxing matches
      • the slow-mo bunny hop speed exploit.

      None of these negatively affected the game. In fact the last one was dope and I wish they didn’t fix that one at all.

      Coming back recently because of 2.0 and I get:

      • Stuck in 1st person while driving, which sucks because most of the cars have impossibly tiny windshields and I literally can not fucking see where I am going.
      • AI cars in traffic that just explode like they were hit by invisible cars, throwing them around or cars falling from the sky, sometimes on me and killing me
      • UI freezing so that I’m basically stuck with the scan mode overlay while I’m no longer scanning which requires a full restart of the game to fix.
      • The new skill system has a skill that says it lets you reload and another skill to shoot while vaulting but neither seem to actually work.
      • Tons of script related issues that break sequences in the quest I am on, forcing a reload. Sometimes several minutes prior because it has to be before the trigger that broke the shit.

      None of these are fun and they all impact the game negatively. :/

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      I think this is fine and nothing to apologise about. But those that played it on the (then) current gen consoles had an awful time with it.

      I understand the majority of players were on PC or newer gen consoles, but it irritates me if PC players argue it was fine because they didn’t see those issues. CDPR literally removed it from the PlayStation store and offered everyone refunds it was that bad!

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      I actually liked No Man’s Sky at launch, but I didn’t watch any of the pre release stuff.

      I heard people talking about it and picked up a copy on my way home from work on release day. It was fun got boring fairly quickly.

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      Naw man, me too. Was it full of bugs on launch? Absolutely. Did it fall far short of the hype? Very. Was I having fun playing it? A blast, actually. I unapologetically love 2077 and feel like I got more than my money’s worth.

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    Fandom is like a coin. A coin that has a shiny surface on one side and a dirty, rusty, smelly layer on the other. Some fans can have the passion and diligence to elevate the media while being respectful, while a lot of fans can be just down right hateful because it’s easier to do so while contributing to nothing

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      For example, Gintama anime subreddit. It is such a pleasant corner of reddit. Everyone just caring about the show and characters and jokes, that’s all. I have rarely seen a hateful comment or post.

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    Looking at VTuber fandom out there. Two weeks ago, a famous female VTuber called Ironmouse (who, BTW, has an immune disease and cannot leave her house) won an award, and you know what the fans of other candidates did? They sent her death threats.

    Oh boy 😬

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      VTuber fandom has the extreme opposites. By just being in the Hololive community I’ve seen people being absolute gems and creating content that everyone loves (Kay Yu, Kanauru, 2ManySnacks)… and on the other side people gatekeeping everything, way too parasocial fans, thirst everywhere and extreme tribalism.

      If you stop at top comments/posts it’s usually a great experience, you just have to learn to stop scrolling when the toxicity begins.

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      I only saw hate from people outside the vtuber community, specially on tiktok since people over there already went through a hate wave of vtubers after a popular male one made a concert without having a 3D model. Several people going “who?” afther she won in the live comments.

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      I betcha if she is a normal showface kind of streamer and not a Vtuber, her fate may be much worse

      It just the edgy wannabe being toxic, which has already been a thing on the Internet since the dawn of time

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        Like when Galen Erso redeems himself by informing the Rebel Alliance of the Death Star’s vulnerability?

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      The piss-poor treatment of the franchise by Disney has made that one a bit easier for me now. I just don’t care anymore. Maybe I’ll jump back in when another season of Andor comes out, but otherwise I’m just done with the tripe Disney is shoveling out.

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        There’s decades worth of Star Wars material that Disney had nothing to do with. They can’t even retcon it because their stuff takes place in a separate continuity.

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    I’ve had the opposite experience. But then again I don’t really watch media without interacting and falling in love with the fandom first.

    I wouldn’t have watched Star Trek without Trekkies being awesome.

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    For many “fans,” it seems like it’s trendy to be cynical and negative.
    They can’t just enjoy a new Trek, or Star Wars, or Marvel movie, without picking it apart and finding everything to complain about - and then criticizing not only the show/movie, but the more positive fans who are willing to overlook such trivial issues and just have fun.

    Not to mention the really awful subgroups of fans who will hate any genre where a woman hero or a minority hero gets time in the spotlight. They tank viewer ratings, harass the stars on social media, just go out of their way to ruin it for everyone. Totally toxic.

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      I feel like critics have fallen into this hole too. Something comes out and they need a unique take on why it sucks to get views, when most people just watch it and enjoy it without criticisng the symbolism of the colour grading.

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        That’s the whole point of a critic though. They’re supposed to be providing deeper takes rooted in expertise in the film industry.

        I think part of the problem is that people think criticism is an inherently bad thing. That allows people to dismiss criticisms as being negative, rather than simply an observation of a flaw.

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    I like some manga and anime, but I usually come away with an uncomfortable feeling when I interact with passionate fans of manga or anime. To me, the vast majority is crap, but there are some good gems here and there. Hardcore fans though are all about the most boring or weird shit, and even have a slightly off sense of humor. I’m sure I’d be seen as some filthy casual who just follows the mainstream shit, like how people outside of RPGs only see DnD as the entirety of the role-playing hobby. It’s probably always going to happen between casuals and passionate fans of any topic.

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      Similar here, I enjoy a few anime and will admit to people I know that I have and do watch anime. I have no interest in discussing it most of the time as I don’t want to interact with weebs or be associated with them.

      Helps that I have zero interest in romance or isekai anime, my interest are all based and related around watching a whole lot of dragon ball as a kid so I watch similar things now

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      In high school I mentioned that I’d just finished Death Note and enjoyed it. The Anime Kid berated me for watching a normie show and made a bunch of references I didn’t understand.

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      Majority of everything is crap, we just get all anime now instead of the handful big hitters that toonami imported.

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    Fanbases and fandoms are poison, thanks to social media. You know exactly what I mean.

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      Shit, that’s what they USED to do, back in the good old days. Now, it’s just “WAAAAAH, WAAAAH, WAAAAHHHHH, THERE ARE TOO MANY ASIANS AND LESBIANS AND BLACKS!”

      You realize how long it’s been since I’ve seen grown men get to the point of threatening each other’s safety, over whether or not the hyperspace drives in Star Wars are more realistic than the warp drive from Star Trek?

      I never thought I’d miss that shit, but I miss it.

      Also, like, can I remind everyone of the cantina scene, from the first fucking movie? NOTHING about that scene says “these producers and writers don’t really buy into the whole concept of diversity,”

      Motherfuckers, there were two different kinds of blue alien, aliens with actual butt-faces, a WEREWOLF, some guys with insectoid multi-faceted eyeballs, and a guy with an ultramodernist chair for a fucking head. And the biggest asshole in the place was the fat white guy who didn’t like a specific group (droids) and wouldn’t let them in his bar.

      But now, some of y’all think “wokeness” in Star Wars is some kind of NEW thing?

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        Motherfuckers, there were two different kinds of blue alien, aliens with actual butt-faces, a WEREWOLF, some guys with insectoid multi-faceted eyeballs, and a guy with an ultramodernist chair for a fucking head.

        I kinda hate that I immediately pictured each of those as I read that.

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      I think, honestly, the worst thing about Star Wars fans discussing the intricacies of Star Wars is that there are no intricacies and it’s concerning how many people still missed the points.

      Light Side Good Dark Side Bad Shut The Fuck Up About Gray Jedi And The Empire Doing Nothing Wrong

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        There was a canon. Then Disney bought the franchise and has chosen to ignore the set canon.

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    I love comedy podcasts, The Jeselnek and Rosenthal Vanity Project, a favourite. His style is dark humour and it seems that a significant proportion of the audience actually believe some of the things he jokes about. I think it’s one of the reasons they rarely field audience questions and never phone calls.

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      Comedy can be a minefield for this type of stuff. I’m a big fan of the comedians that can dance around the edge, or seem to cross it and then bring the audience back, eg: Mark Normand, Bill Burr, Jimmy Carr, a lot of the old Norm MacDonald stuff, etc.

      But I’ll see some fan compilations with titles or comments that make it clear that they don’t get the style of humor… Like “[comedian] DESTROYS feminists!!1!”

      When, to anyone with a reasonable level of social intelligence, it’s abundantly clear that that’s not what’s happening.

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    Me and the Apex Legends community

    Me: This seems like a cool game, and it’s free, and it’s made by the Titanfall people.

    Apex Legends community: Autistic screeching

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    10 months ago

    Oh yeah. I did not hang out in Star Trek groups for many years despite being a fan - I didn’t near to hear a million times why Enterprise sucked or Discovery sucks or whatever. I enjoyed both and don’t need to listen to someone screeching about continuity errors or whatever in a fictional TV show.

    And they can’t help themselves, more than once I’ve made a comment like this only to have someone reply, “Well, Discovery sucks because blah blah blah!”, and it’s like, “THANKS FOR DEMONSTRATING THE POINT I WAS MAKING. YOU’RE THE PROBLEM. YOU.”

    No one hates Star Trek more than Star Trek fans.

    I joined a group on facebook that is called “Wholesomeposting” and that kind of shit is not allowed. It’s much nicer that way. The noise level on Lemmy hasn’t been too bad, fortunately…so far.