• minnieo@kbin.socialOP
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    11 months ago

    In what way exactly? The idea of Satan that Satanists use for symbolism is FOR humanity, FOR equal rights. Whatever evil demon you see from your bible is not what we look up to. Please explain to me how our Satan is against humanity.

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        11 months ago

        I’m not a satanist. Though I fully support the causes these people are behind. But I have a few questions for you.

        So when I was 5 my mom kidnapped me and ran away to Florida with me. We were in church every time those doors were open. Unfortunately all the prayers in the world still didn’t help her get her insulin. I watched her wither and die SLOWLY. I was 8.

        Where was god?

        After her death. I moved back in with my dad where a neighbor began to sexually abuse me for a few years. My dad made sure we went to church every Sunday. It was my mom’s dying wish.

        Where was god? Was I not good enough? Did I not pray hard enough?

        I still remember the moment I realized that god doesn’t exist. It was night time and we had a trampoline in the backyard. I was standing next to it looking up at the stars. My breath still smelled like him. I was 10.

        So, I may not know much, but I know that your god either doesn’t exist or let those things and more happen. If that’s the case. I want nothing to do with him.

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          11 months ago

          “If God real why bad thing happen?”

          I already know atheism is usually out of blaming God for personal and traumatic experiences, butbthat won’t automatically mean satanism doesn’t follow the devil

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            11 months ago

            It’s the simplest of logic. If I claim to have magic flying powers. Then I jump off a building and fall to my death. You’d say I was lying.

            Likewise if people tell me that the god Ive been following is all knowing, all powerful, and compassionate. That all I have to do is be good and pray and he will watch over me.

            So I do the things and he doesn’t hold up his end of the bargain. Then it’s a sham. It’s a lie. It’s a con. It’s bull shit.

            Organizations are what they do. The church makes big claims. But follows through with none of the supernatural stuff, and very little of the material stuff like donations.

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                11 months ago

                Free will on which end mine or “god’s” end? If you’re saying that “god” has free will to decide whether they help children or not after claiming to be compassionate. Then I have no use for a “god” like that.

                If you’re saying that as a child I had free will in the circumstances I listed. Then just like your “god” you are an abhorrent piece of trash and I have no use for you either.

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                  11 months ago

                  No, I’m saying people are free to sin, nothing will stop them in this life, but hell would almost certainly not be like hazbin hotel

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                    11 months ago

                    Once again I just want to say that I am not a satanist. I do not speak for anyone but myself. The people here are more than capable of speaking for themselves.

                    But, what you said still doesn’t touch the issue that we were talking about. Which is, “Why would an all powerful all seeing “god” let his creations suffer?” If he is all powerful then he can keep suffering from happening. If he is all knowing then he does know the suffering is happening. So, if real, he chooses to let that suffering happen. It’s that simple.

                    If you’re saying that “god” doesn’t intervene because humans have free will. That means that “god” deserves no credit for anything other than creation. In that case worshipping him is the same as worshipping a mom and dad that abandoned you at birth. Which is completely insane.

                    Also, I’d just like to point out that “god” gave zero shits about “free will” when it came to sodom and Gomorrah. “God gave zero shits about free will when it came to Lot.

                    Now look, I’m done. You have been backed into a corner where there is no satisfactory answer. There is no way to explain the problem in a way that is reasonable. Also, I have better things to do than argue the merits of an imaginary friend. It’s been fun, happy holidays.

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        11 months ago

        Again, the Satan YOU BELIEVE IN is NOT the Satan who’s symbolism we admire. I told you exactly what he represents to us, and it’s frankly disgusting if you somehow believe that equal human rights is evil. But then again, as your Christias churches love to say, “The Devil was the first to demand equal rights,” as if it is a bad thing lmfao