• zed_proclaimer [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Doesn’t matter, that’s not what people in America or Europe think and they don’t consider them in the club. The “collective west” and the “global north” and the “first world” are racist clubs filled with white people and nobody in those groups consider Latin America part of it

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        I’m talking about the media classes and elite and rulers who use the terms. When they say “first world” they are not talking about a single country south of Texas

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          uh no? It’s entirely the common people in the west too.

          the average white westerner uses “North America” as a term that excludes Mexico, for god sake. Yes, whites are literally retconning the geographic term “North America” to constitute an ethnoracial zone which excludes Mexico, in the same way that they retconned the terms “Caucasian” “Indian” “continent” “Aryan” and many more, all of which had actual rigorous definitions but now literally just mean “white people”

          any Latino who thinks they’re “western” in any sense other than cardinal directions is beyond me, they’ve literally been doing this shit for 300 years kek

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            I agree with you. This user was being a pedant so I went with the most airtight argument and just accused western elites of being white supremacists instead of the majority of westerners as it’s easier to prove

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          media classes and elite in what country and language? different countries and different languages have different media and different terms. also first world is different from western

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            It doesn’t matter, almost everyone in Europe speaks fluent American English, and in 20 years’ time you can remove the “almost”

            European American culture influences Europeans 100x more than vice versa. Most Americans can’t name anything about modern European mindsets or politics. Most Europeans know everything about America’s dirty laundry and social culture.

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        europe is a diverse place with a range of opinions

        not really

        https://i.postimg.cc/MWGZ93zF/image.png

        Almost every European country would not be willing to help Colombia if it had a major crisis.
        The only Euro country majorly willing to help was Spain, which makes some sense considering the entire continent is partial descendants of them.

        But even then, Spain was less willing to help Colombia than it would other Southern European and even Northern European countries which are MUCH richer than Colombia.

        Since Colombia is a Latin American country which was recently loosely allied with the West, doesn’t have any major geopolitical disputes with them (unlike Cuba Bolivia Venezuela), and also since it’s a very solidly “Mestizo” country (unlike Bolivia Peru) it is a very good proxy for basically any Latin American nation. Their opinion on Colombia, basically, is “as good as it gets” for Latin American countries.

        You are not white and never will be, and the honest and emotional conception of the term “Western” is entirely based on race and collective racial interests of white people. Russia isn’t in it because Russia wants more stuff at the expense of other Whites. Latin American countries aren’t in it because they’re not white.

        I’m not sure why so much of the rest-of-the-world outside the West is delusional about this. Maybe they’re projecting their natural goodwill onto white people lmao? Or maybe they’re so ridiculously prideful that they’re allergic to seeing themselves as an “oppressed group” that they’ll deny the most basic evidence of reality in order to boost their ego?

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          Some of those results are very funny and interesting. Italy having a specific grudge against Germany that isnt even remotely mutual is my favorite. Followed by Spain being willing to help everyone, except the UK

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        You’ll be surprised to know that people in Europe don’t even consider most of Europe “western” and most definitely not middle or south America.

        It’s not about religion or culture really. Sweden and France doesn’t have a lot in common, but they’re both “the west”. Poland isn’t though. Spain just barely qualifies.