• voight [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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      Are you concerned Maduro’s destroying the legacy of the Bolivarian revolution, or do you expect me to believe that Exxon’s deal with the Guyanese govt is something which benefits the working class there? I’m interested where you’re going with this, since you brought it up.

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        I’m not south american and can’t speak to how good an ideology bolívarianism is. I only know a war over some empty jungles to support some nationalist claim to land doesn’t help the workers in either country. and that the communist party in venezuela doesn’t back maduro and considers him a rentier capitalist sitting on oil while the workers can barely afford bread

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          What do you mean by “some nationalist claim to land”?

          Do you mean the claim that was ruled in the UK’s favor with the US representing Vz bc of the Monroe doctrine? Which Vz has opposed for over a century? Which we are now enforcing again with the Monroe doctrine explicitly?

          You believe all the Venezuelans who participated in the referendum are mistaken about their interests?

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            you’re using the term monroe doctrine pretty willy-nilly. it was a doctrine opposing imperial powers that weren’t america influencing latin america not to assist other imperial powers to divide up latin america. even still what does a treaty written up by the spanish empire have to do with whether or not venezuela is justified in starting a war. that’s like definitionally an imperialist war between venezuela and guyana. if americans had a referendum to annex canada to oppose british imperialism i’d also question the socialistic nature of that too

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                only time can tell but I’m gonna take the possibility as seriously as lula does and he sent troops to the border over the referendum. my own country has fought a war over stupider reasons 50 years ago so I’m not gonna count out venezuela

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                  “Only time can tell” is a sweet way of saying you don’t take what the people of Venezuela or Guyana have been posting about this seriously.

                  It’s the US pushing their claim with the Monroe Doctrine literally the White House referenced it in the statement (we can debate whether they are double dipping on the Monroe Doctrine later) for Exxon Mobil to keep their deal where they get to

                  DRINK THEIR MILKSHAKE

                  with wild abandon that is pushing for a war. I don’t think making some cynical “don’t rock the boat” argument in light of that makes sense

                  This can all coexist with criticism of Maduro’s policies, which I have seen welcomed by the Venezuelan government from a grassroots level. Not to gush.