I am currently using 40g coffee to 500g water which is 12.5g coffee to 1g water but I have seen things like this https://www.olympiacoffee.com/blogs/blog/how-to-brew-like-olympia-coffee#:~:text=For those of you who,use 16.7 grams of water. which suggest using a little more. Does it even matter to adjust the ratio precisely if I don’t have a precision grinder and am using a Krups blade grinder? I am trying to get things as precise as possible.
Like most basic entry-level coffee nerds, I do whatever James Hoffman tells me to, so I use ~15g of coffee to 250g of water (which is equivalent to the 1 to 16.7 ratio suggested in your link).
I think it’s still worth playing around with ratios regardless of grinder, it definitely could still make a substantial difference in your cup. However, switching to a decent burr grinder would be a massive difference both in quality of results, but (perhaps more importantly) reproducibility. Blade grinders make it harder to achieve the same grind size every time, and even within a single dose the ground consistency won’t be great.
A caveat I’d like to add: blades are known to produce a lot of fines, which causes higher extraction. So maybe the lower-than-typical ratio you’ve ended up on “compensates” a bit for the high extraction. At the end of the day though, remember: who cares what some website/James Hoffman/random Fediverse users have to say? Do you like the coffee you make?
Nah the coffee I make could definitely be better. I think a better grinder will definitely help.
Nah the coffee I make could definitely be better. I think a better grinder will definitely help.
I’m enjoying the V60 recipe from the last James Hoffmann book (The best coffee at home). 60 gr per liter. I experienced a lot with other recipes and ratios during the past few years, but this one is super easy to reproduce and makes great coffee every time you are awake enough to follow a 3 step guide. 😪
Does it even matter to adjust the ratio precisely if I don’t have a precision grinder and am using a Krups blade grinder?
Yes. Your coffee uniformity and your ratio are different things. You should check this video from the one and only Mr Hoffmann.
In any case, if you are enjoying your pourovers, you may want to invest in a better but cheap hand grinder. Timemore makes great products at an affordable price.Same here, or 15g for 225ml water per cup. I use a Timemore C2 grinder.
I have the old C2 with the plastic wheel and it’s an excellent grinder tbh. I think I paid around 50€ and it’s more than enough from a hobbyist perspective.
I upgraded the plastic parts to metal parts last year. Very happy with that decision.
Well yes I very much know I need to upgrade, but to what? I am usually making cups for 1 to 2 people so 500-1000ml. Actually nvm, I am using a Fellow kettle so it only holds 900ml
Ok, those are big cups. I usually made around 250 to 300ml of coffee. Timemore and 1zpresso have big grinders now, you may want one of those. I bought a C2 a few years ago and even though I have a good electric grinder, the Timemore is miles better and because it doesn’t make almost any noise, I can make coffee early in the morning.
In my case, I am the only one at home that drinks coffee so I rarely need more than 25g.thanks for the rec yeah I like it strong but maybe I should just be brewing less coffee
It depends. I bought a good but not really fast hand grinder (commandante c40) and despite myself being lazy I really like it for single person pour overs, which I do most of the time since my SO doesn’t drink coffee. However, when I have guests and need to grind a bigger dose (>30g), I get a little bit annoyed at how much work it is. So I’d probably recommend getting an electric grinder if you do those portions all the time.
My uncle thought his Hario Skerton Pro and siphon setup was elite, I just thought it took ages.
I’m using 60g/L, the best ratio in my opinion. I grind it using Timemore C2 and brew it using Hario Switch.
I personally do a 20g:300ml for hot coffee or 20g: ~320ml for iced coffee (only approximate because of the ice cubes)
So that ends up being a 15ml per 1g
Also i think you mixed up coffee and water in your post, isn’t it 12.5g water to 1g coffee.
Does it even matter to adjust the ratio precisely if I don’t have a precision grinder and am using a Krups blade grinder? I am trying to get things as precise as possible.
Consistency allows for reproducible results but there’s diminishing returns at a certain point. My grinder is the type that has a big hopper and runs for χ amount of seconds and I don’t notice a difference even though it can be up to 1g up or down.
I started with 60g/L scaled down to a 28g dose because it’s a good amount of brewed coffee for me and it means a bag of 12oz coffee is 12 cups with a little cushion. That works out to 466g (or ml) of water, but I have found I like it slightly better closer to 450g.
With blade grinder, ratio has an effect but the grind quality is definitely effecting more. I go with the 16.7 ratio for years with coarse grind and the coffee is really good every morning.
I’d suggest getting a good burr grinder. That has the biggest effect for getting a quality cup every morning.
Which burr grinder is a whole thread worth of a topic and hand crank vs automatic too
Mugen: 1:18 usually, V60: 1:16ish. (Light and medium roasts)
Ratio will depend on preference, equipment, and what coffee you’re brewing, as well as the recipe. In my case I use a bit longer ratio on the Mugen compared to the V60 because it has less bypass (less water gets around the coffee by going through the filter too soon). Generally speaking folks use shorter ratios for darker roasts and longer ratios for lighter roasts.
It gets a little more complicated with iced coffee, because what you’re doing with iced coffee is actually brewing a very short ratio and then diluting it, which gives you a concentration that is similar to what you would normally get, but with lower extraction. (Not necessarily a bad thing!)
I didn’t know about the Mugen until I read this comment! Fascinated that new pour over designs keep coming out.
Yes, Mugen is fantastic brewer. It’s a “low by-pass” type, producing smooth brew. And the pour can be continuous. Here’s a picture of it.
Dude that just looks gorgeous
How can we rotate the picture? I posted it from Jerboa…
20:300
Depends on the recipe I’m using, but generally between 1:15 and 1:17 grams coffee:water. I use a manual conical burr (1zpresso KMax) for my pour overs.
I just learned I’m hanging out with the wrong crowd. I’ve always been told I make strong coffee…learning it may have been an inside joke.
I use a French press and (I just measured as I didn’t know) I use 26g coffee to 950ml water. Makes a ratio of about 1:36.
French press requires less coffee as the extraction is far longer, your brew is plenty strong.
I find that a 16:1 or 17:1 ratio delivers the coffee flavor more reliably. But, most morning I forgo this and do a 20:1 or more just so I have more to drink over time. The higher ratios, being weaker, seem to be more forgiving in terms of bitterness (makes sense cause the flavor is more watered down).
For pour-over I use 350ml (350grams) of filtered water, to 24g of medium course ground coffee.
When I switched to pour-over, I didn’t want to futz with figuring out the proper ratio, so I bought a grinder that produces pre-measured amounts, and a pitcher with measurement lines. So I go with the “2 cups” measurement on both.
…and yes, I know that I’m doing it wrong. ;-P
If you like your coffee you are doing it right
You reversed your coffee and water in the 12.5:1 portion.
Measuring is important for repeatability but getting a good grinder should be your highest priority. A Timemore C2 will be a huge improvement over the blade grinder. You should be able to find one for around $60 most places.
15 grams of water to 1 gram of beans normally. I might adjust it a little depending on the bean.
