• Eldritch@lemmy.world
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        Nationally, currently yes. But not completely. Granted they are trying to smear and attack every Democrat that has. But I think Talib and others. Are relatively safe at their local level.

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      Not supporting Israel goes against every profit incentive that the oil, military, and other megacorporations have. EU may not like to say it as openly, but they want this to continue too.

      Human lives don’t matter in the face of capitalist profit after all.

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      🙄

      Israel is the 51st state. Everything Israel does is done with US support because they’re part of the same settler-colonial project.

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    I feel like there should be a limit on how many times a country can exercise their veto rights, at least.

    US has a long history of single-handedly bullying entire UN with their veto power.

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      US gas a long history of single-handedly bullying entire UN with their veto power.

      Many of the US’s vetos would’ve been voted against by other countries and/or vetoed by France/UK if the US weren’t there. The US is a convient country to take the fall.

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    Actual question: why in the fuck can the US veto actions by the UN? Can other countries veto as well? Or is it only the US that can do that with the implied threat we’d swing our militaristic dick around or something?

    EDIT: Thank y’all for replying and informing me and any other readers about why this is a thing. You guys are da real MVPs 👊

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        Yes, the other countries are China, France, Russia and the UK. These are the Security Counsel states of the UN, seen by many as a peace-keeping organization.

        Wikipedia notes that

        They also happen to be the nuclear-weapon states (NWS) under the terms of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

        Also on a completely unrelated note, here is the list of the top 5 arms dealers:

        Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database

        Generated: 09 December 2023

    • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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      I want you to think about how, when you posted this, jou were swearing and upset about this thing you admittedly knew nothing about.

      That’s your lizard brain swearing and reacting. Then your human brain took over and you asked good follow on questions.

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      Might is right. Money is power.

      Equality is a myth and the rich never lost their control.

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      Lmao you clearly don’t understand how the UN works, they’re part of the committee they all get to vote for or against

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      Russia has been vetoing peacekeeping forces in Novorossiya since 2014, for example. China has been vetoing investigations into Uyghur genocide too. Also this particular resolution is fucking stupid as is the whole Arab-world sponsored money laundering machine of Palestine rights council of the UN. People don’t understand that “supporting Palestine” is literally the same as supporting Vova, Xi, Kim, Assad and Khamenei since they’re all the same totalitarian terrorist axis.

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    Come the fuck on. A UN resolution demanding a ceasefire is just symbolic anyway.

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      Not if it’s from the security council. Security council resolutions are legally binding, whereas GA resolutions are more like suggestions.

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    For anyone else wondering “why did the US veto it?” rather than jumping to an emotional reaction, the article explains the US’s position:

    U.S. deputy ambassador Robert Wood called the resolution “imbalanced” and criticized the council after the vote for its failure to condemn Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack on Israel in which the militants killed about 1,200 people, mostly civilians, or to acknowledge Israel’s right to defend itself. He declared that halting military action would allow Hamas to continue to rule Gaza and “only plant the seeds for the next war.”

    “Hamas has no desire to see a durable peace, to see a two-state solution,” Wood said before the vote. “For that reason, while the United States strongly supports a durable peace, in which both Israelis and Palestinians can live in peace and security, we do not support calls for an immediate cease-fire.”

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      I’ll translate for those that doesn’t speak US foreign policy-ese.

      “We fully support our pet genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist state in their genocidal ventures.”

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      Oh yeah that totally convinces me to justify the indiscriminate bombing of civilians in Gaza.

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      “We will not be supporting a call for a full cease fire as it would allow the democratically elected government currently in charge to continue to be in charge, potentially jeopardizing the future peace”

      Putting aside the fact that I don’t think Hamas would win an election today (if they’d allow one), how is Israel not just as likely to break this “durable peace”.

      Calling for an end to violence on an immediate basis and being upset when your own government is again going against the will of it’s citizens, choosing to back a military that’s vastly superior to their enemies and barely even whispering a comment on the brutality they’re committing on the civilian population of their adversary, isn’t jumping to an emotional reaction because we all already figured that was the reason anyway

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        We will not be supporting a call for a full cease fire as it would allow the democratically elected government currently in charge to continue to be in charge

        Putting aside the fact that I don’t think Hamas would win an election today (if they’d allow one)

        You really wrote this out and thought it made sense.

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          In the same way Zeleneskyy isn’t going to hold elections at this time, I doubt Hamas would either, although I think the sentiment between the leader and their citizens are completely different between the two.

          There can be nuance here, I don’t LIKE that they were democratically elected and definitely took a greater grip than granted by that election, but this is the 57th time we’ve decided to assist in the deposition of a foreign power and government that, although I think are commitering terrible atrocities, only became so popular and so radicalized due to the mistreatment of their population by the Israeli government assisted by the financial and militaristic aid already given to them by the United States.

          People elect dictators all the time for all kinds of reasons, this one just happens to be deeply entrenched in our geopolitical expansion and security game and the harm inflicted on the citizens of palestine is partially our government’s fault and they and so many of us refuse to acknowledge that.

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            Hamas seized power because he PA was trying to form a secular state, as part of a two-state solution. Upon seizing power, they immediately canceled elections forever. Then, they stole aid money from their own people, blocked the UNRWA from distributing further aid (and did so again during this conflict) and forced them to teach genocide against Jews in schools. This is all in addition to torturing and murdering any Palestinian dissidents who oppose Hamas.

            Shit, during this very conflict, Hamas literally shot people fleeing south, because maximizing civilian casualties is a stated goal of theirs.

            There is nothing redeeming about Hamas.

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              I dont disagree with the statement that there’s nothing redeeming about them. I agree they are a bad organization that is ALSO causing harms to the citizens of Palestine.

              All I’m asking you to agree to is that the people of Palestine would benefit from a cease fire, if only to reduce the total number of civilian deaths. They cause civilian death, and so does Israel, but as long as the conflict is hot and active, that death and suffering is at it’s zenith.

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                All I’m asking you to agree to is that the people of Palestine would benefit from a cease fire, if only to reduce the total number of civilian deaths. They cause civilian death, and so does Israel, but as long as the conflict is hot and active, that death and suffering is at it’s zenith.

                A) this has nothing to do with Hamas

                B) my opinion will not influence this situation at all

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              There is nothing redeeming about Hamas.

              You mean… apart from the fact that they are at war with a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist state?

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      How about if Israel treats Palestinians with dignity? That would make Hamas disappear just the same, just without the dead bodies of seven thousand children.

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      The only way for Hamas to be eradicated at this point is complete genocide and total annexation. You can’t kill a someone’s entire family and not expect them to take up arms against you.

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    Didn’t Hamas break the last two ceasefires? How does the UN expect to enforce such with a literal terrorist organization?

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      No israel violated the ceasefires right at the start by shooting civilians returning north.

      And israel was the party that refused to extend the ceasefire.