I can’t communicate words right so here’s what I’m trying to say, I have interacted with people from the global north who identify with ideologies such as anti-colonialism, feminism, socialism, veganism etc… And I’ve noticed a minority of purist/close to being reactionaries always being loud (not literal loud) who don’t represent them well and mainly exist online.

You’ve prolly already seen the “feminist (TERFs etc), socialist, vegan” ones. the anti-colonial thing I’ve seen in like Afrocentrists spreading hate to light skin native African groups (especially North Africans) which misses the point of who’s the evil white man.

This has obviously spread and I’ve seen this in global southeners influenced by western media or something else.

It neither worries me nor make sleep less at night, but it bothers me whenever I’m trying to vibe online, is there an explanation or a cause for that happens? Is it due to competing in who’s gooder? Is it because of propaganda? Are these people a psyop made to depopularise a movement? Is it because of liberalism? Is it because of the lack of theory or historical and political knowledge?

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    1 year ago

    A mixture of all of your hypotheses are correct.

    The shortest way I can possibly explain it: online “leftist” (massive, undefinable group which is one issue) culture(s) are just that… online.

    For all practical means they do not exist in the real world. People trying to purge all white males just don’t “actually” exist. I really hope that doesn’t need further elaboration, since it’s one of the pillars of white nationalism in the US/EU that these types DO exist and are actively purging white people. The few who do exist have no power and to my offhand knowledge have never once acted with whatever power they might have ie some localized genocide of whites in South Africa. That never happened, despite fearmongering from apartheid-beneficiaries that it would definitely happen. Slavers in the US feared abolition for similar reasons. It’s really important to realize that these groups are tiny and powerless in order for you (and me) to ignore them or limit engagement to something productive… which is usually non-engagement, not even to mock.

    On some level obviously you’re right to have a negative reaction to a group of people who never met you wanting you to die, be enslaved, whatever. But you have to also realize in that same moment of reactionary-tendency that… they don’t matter. They don’t have power. If it makes you feel better (worse…) the CIA/FBI wants you dead or in some way subdued as well. The difference is they have the legitimacy and backing of the United States federal government. You tell me who is a bigger concern and threat.

    It’s ultimately the rantings and failings of people who are being or have been historically treated less than human by the machinery of capitalism. They either lack proper understanding or education or, more bleakly, they do know and have all the knowledge but they see the world for what it is…a capitalist hellscape unlikely to change anytime soon. They can also see this white-created world of exploitation and drive towards ever more consumption destroying the world and they see who chiefly benefits from this world… the descendants of those whites. Of course it’s wrong to profile people based upon skin color, etc., but put in their shoes, I find it hard to blame them for the negative perception of ALL white people in the the “first world” and especially people whom would claim to be their liberators their “torch carriers” if you will who will only listen with one ear and speak over them half way to tell them their concerns are not justified and they’re just being anti-white racists. We cannot ever experience in this life the experiences that leads people to reactionary type mindsets. So it’s worth acknowledging you somewhat understand WHY they are how they are and the only way you’re ever going to undo hatred towards you is to be better than your ancestors probably were. I really don’t know what else to say here besides like don’t let others who are misled (or whatever wording) pull you from your own journey or spoil your own knowledge of things. Be sure of your values, your morals, your understanding of the world. Challenge yourself and let others challenge you, too, but root yourself in justifiable ideals. Probably comes off corny, but whatever, when you have a anti-colonial, anti-capitalism, pro-emancipatory stance as your core you can encounter new ideas, different types of people and cultures, you can incorporate parts of them into your own being and remove unwanted ones as well. As long as you’re always in the mindset of morality, “the golden rule,” and you know what that world looks like… you can’t go wrong.

    (I realize this comes off like religious stuff, obviously everything is open to change when more knowledge is gained, but I really do believe there must be certain pillars to your personal morality. Doesn’t have to be based in religion, just a conscious memory you keep that you would like others to treat you well and you will treat others as you wish to be treated. I kind of don’t think you end up in realm of leftist thought without having that rooted deeply inside you. Reactionary tendencies are probably your subconscious (or whatever, not a fucking psychologist here) rebelling against your actions going against that core pillar and the internal struggle to resolve that contradiction between deeply held morals and opposing actions. Way too big brain on a Saturday).

    Probably rambled a lot there, but whatever. Just be cool, and don’t let others tear you from the correct path.