Hey, so, I was hoping someone could break down the strategy or rationale behind team Biden’s current messaging? Cards on the table, I plan on voting for him in the general election and primary, but the Biden camp’s messaging seems insane to me. I know a single person irl who’s doing well financially right now, everyone else is feeling the pain. The messaging so far seems to be (and please correct me if I’m wrong): everything is fine actually, and we should all be praising him, and it doesn’t matter if you disagree because the other guy is Hitler. It just comes across as super disconnected, I don’t know any IRL left/Dem voters that resonate with it, and it honestly reminds me of the general vibe of the HRC campaign from 16. This election is too important to fuck up, so this messaging has got me concerned. Can someone explain how this is supposed to win Biden the election?
Pretty simple really, it is precisely a riff on HRC’s overall strat. He’s trying to court the moderates, who generally think the economy should be priority #1.
He has a finite number of things he can say, and what appeals to one group is less appealing to another. If you can think of a platform that might appeal to both newer leftists and the older boomer dems and the independents all simultaneously, then that would be better than what he’s doing.
But otherwise he’s going to feel like he needs to shore up his support wherever its weakest, that’s just logical. So, he talks up his economy. He’s not appealing to his base like Trump does, he’s trying to recruit people that don’t particularly like him. Trying to compromise, like a veteran statesman from a checks-and-balances government. Build coalitions. Reach across the aisle. All that crap.
My thoughts anyway.
I guess that makes sense, but why tell people how they’re feeling? That seems like a poor strategy.
I agree. Frankly, he’s not the most charismatic guy around, he’s never really been good at it. It’s a bit of an asset for him sometimes, as certain political attacks kinda slide off his back, since he just comes across as mild-mannered grandpa who speaks his mind too much and kinda just wants everyone to shut the fuck up and focus on the problem.
But it’s a double edged sword. HRC also had the charisma of a muddy log, which is why Obama trounced her so hard. She’s an analytical policy wonk, she needs chalk, blackboards and essays, not people. He had both policy chops and charisma, so won pretty handily.
Bernie also has policy and charisma.
Importantly, it’s useful to remember that the trait of charisma itself is considered profoundly negative by certain workin-man sorts. Kinda a “shut up and get to work, stop manipulating people” kinda thing. So they actually like these dry, crusty sorts. I think you’d have to be older than 40 though, you’d have to pre-date things like The Simpsons and South Park, which utterly trashed this worldview for every generation for probably the next few decades at least.
“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
Joe starts tossing policy and Don will use it as ragebait with no retort of viable policy.
Remember, glorious GOP/Trump Healthcare plan? (2 more weeks till we see it /s)
Remember the “Death Panels” the GOP promised the masses with the ACA?It is easier to destroy something someone else built than it is to build something of your own.
Less is more and I’m having a hard time believe the 100 senior citizens that picked up the phone or the 50 “random people in Rural Texas” that answered the survey are reflective of the average person (political polling).This is probably the best answer I’ve read so far, I think.
You said this election is too important… Why is that?
Because while Biden and the Democrats kinda suck, the republicans openly have plans to dismantle the republic and initiate something more on the order of a classical dictatorship or neofeudalism. I’m not an accelerationist, myself, and I don’t exactly trust that any revolution is going to go the way I’d like it to, so for me it’s a choice between getting Jeff Bezos’ balls in my face as he dunks on us for another four years or getting shot or imprisoned because I didn’t retweet our republican/billionaire gentry. It’s a shitty, but obvious, choice.
You answered your own question then. That’s why the messaging doesn’t need to clear because the alternative is the real message.
Wasn’t this HRC’s strat in 16? Can someone remind me how that went?
Oh shit! You’re right! The previous president when Hilary ran had shown that he was a criminal! He showed that he wanted to overthrow our government! Wait… No wait. That’s now. Before Trump was a novelty. This time he’s proof positive of a fascist regime.
Also, don’t think that me or anyone else reading this post and seeing your “I’m just asking questions” play acting that we don’t know that you’re a Trump supporter trying to sow dissent.
Haha, holy shit, wow, buddy. If that’s what you need to soothe the cognitive dissonance, sure, but I’ve never voted for a Republican in my life. Just to let you in on a secret, you can still be critical of the people you vote for, it’s an important part of being a participant in a democracy. I’m being critical of this strat because I think it’s a fucking garbage strategy, they’re going to fuck it up with their wrongheaded bullshit, and they’re going to hand the election and the future of the country to Trump. I came here hoping I was missing something, but apparently not. The plan is literally “2016 but it’s totally going to work this time you guys, I swear”. Jesus wept.
This election is too important to fuck up, so this messaging has got me concerned.
If the election is that important, then maybe vote for someone who is actually sending out a clear and sane message that you agree with.
Even Hitler tried to do what he thought was best for his country and made it clear that was his goal. Sad thing is he probably would have succeeded too if he didn’t fuck with everyone else too.
I don’t plan on voting for another 4 years of what is currently going on and the guy that sent 7.2B worth of our tax dollars to a country of terrorists and then refuses to step in when they continue killing innocent people probably doesn’t deserve your vote either.
I really hope there is a better choice than what we’ve seen the last two times. Otherwise, we’re all screwed no matter what way it goes.
I voted third party last election, so, I hear you, but the republicans have made it crystal clear that they intend to dismantle the republic and establish something like neofeudalism or a classical dictatorship if they win. I am specifically going to vote against that this election.
Yea, hopefully, there is a better choice when the time comes, but WW3 or Civil War 2 is probably more likely than getting a decent candidate anytime soon that actually has a chance of winning.
This kid is empathizing with Hitler, folks.
The Germans voted him into power for a reason, but who knows, maybe they just wanted to vote blue no matter who or maybe his “make Germany great again” speeches where just to die for.
If you can’t see how and why someone like Hitler got elected to be the leader of Germany and made it as far as he did, then how are you going to stop it from happening again?
But yea, that’s just nonsense, I’m just sad his re-election was stolen from him by the Americans. \s
You sure know a lot about Hitler.
Seems like the type of guy everyone should know about. 🤔 He is responsible for the murder of between 5 and 17 million people, but I guess you probably don’t think they are worth knowing about either?
Lol oh you caught me! I’m not a Nazi like you! Dang I was trying to infiltrate your group and try to take you guys down!
Lol you’re garbage, bud.
Lol you’re garbage, bud.
Says the guy who thinks people shouldn’t know about Hitler. Sure sounds like you got something to hide?
The messaging doesn’t matter because the Democrats are capitalizing on the “he’s not Trump” vote. Unless you make seven figures or more, you are not the audience for presidential messaging. You don’t matter.