Do people really just write their adventures as a list of predefined conditions and consequences and if players dont meet the condition, the consequence just never happens?
I would go mad. Just write what you want the PCs to learn, who the bad guys are and what they want to do, and what the players get as a reward for stopping them.
All the rest just flows from there?
If your players walk away from your hooks then they don’t want story, just throw random encounters from a table at them.
As a GM of exclusively pre-written content, I find this terrifying but intriguing. I would love to be able to totally homebrew an adventure, but the amount of planning and prep beforehand seems daunting (which feels ironic, given my experience as a GM lol). Is it often an illusion of choice, where you may lay out a handful of hooks that, over time, lead to the same destination?
I don’t like the term “illusion of choice” or “railroad” for my style, even though I can see how people might think that’s what’s going on.
The players don’t get a choice in what major story beats are going to happen, which NPCs they meet and what set-piece encounters they experience. They do get a choice in what context they meet these people, where they are when they experience the major story beats and how to engage with the set-piece encounter.
For example: In my last session I wanted three things:
the PCs to get some face time with the BBEG of the next little arc (a Dr. Mingel), (meet an NPC)
have a chase scene through the busy streets of London during the day and (set piece encounter)
have Dr. Mingel attempt to obduct an NPC (Mr. Fairstyle) that could become a major source of power to the PCs (story beat).
So a regular questgiver gave the PCs the task to find and protect this Fairstyle character (hook). How they go about this is their choice. But whatever they do, once they rolled two or three times successfully to find Mr. Fairstyle (be that through asking around amongst their contacts, using divination magic, or digging through the church register to find Mr. Fairstyle and his antecendants), they will get a solid clue to his location. He can be found in a public place where scandal is to be avoided. Once there, they find Mr. Fairstyle and Dr. Mingel already engaged in polite conversation, which they can join. They observe behaviour in Dr. Mingel that reveals him to be a bad guy. When leaving the public place either Mr. Fairstyle or Dr. Mingel will attempt to flee from them (depending on context and who they try to chase).
All of these things will happen. All of the details are up to my players. E.g. I did not know ahead of time that Mr. Fairstyle and Dr. Mingel would be in a Casino playing a rare card game that is only offered in this one place. It was a casino with a specific card game because thats what the trail of clues led the PCs too and the 3rd successful roll was when talking to a gambling guy who had met Mr. Fairstyle before (I hadn’t fixed the number 3 before either, that was purely based on how much time they spent searching and what the mood was at the table, if we had gotten caught up in throwing back Monty Python quotes for half an hour a single roll would have sufficed and if the players were really into the investigation bit it would have taken them 5 or 7). The players decided to chase down Dr. Mingel when exiting the casino and leaving Mr. Fairstyle to fend for himself. So while they caught Dr. Mingel, his henchmen caught Mr. Fairstyle and while they try to get him back, (spoiler alert) Dr. Mingel will escape in their abscence.
Edit: Btw, they had killed a previous incarnation of Dr. Mingel without learning his name or talking to him. So the dead guy is now Dr. Mingels dear but insignificant assistant, for which he also wants to kill the players (long term). The story beat they hit there was “disrupt one of Dr. Mingels operations”, and the set piece encounter was a fight in a warehouse full of chemicals. I would have liked it if “Dr. Mingel” had gotten away from that fight (in which case they would have recognised him in the casino), but “learn the BBEGs name” was not on the agenda for that session so they don’t even know that they 1st turn killed the BBEG of an entire story arc. Because they didn’t because that wasn’t Dr. Mingel because that’s not the context the players created.
Not who you responded to, but I can’t follow a pre made campaign as a DM. My current campaign started as a pre made, but prepping for it felt too much like homework so we hopped the rails and I’ve been my own story.
To answer your question from how I operate, I have a rough idea of what the conclusion of the campaign looks like and a rough odea of how the party might get there. I only really know the specifics of what the party is currently doing or what they might encounter in the next months. At this point in the campaign the the players know who the big baddie is, what they’re up to, and know of means to stop them. It’s up to them to figure out a plan to stop the big bad. The party has taken some of my hooks to solve their problems and have gone completely off the rails at some points to solve their problems. There are some points in the campaign that are pretty linear (like right now, they need a macguffin from a particular place) and some where they’re given set pieces, a location, and a good luck slap of the ass.
As it pertains to the meme up here for me personally, sometimes I’ll build an encounter/boss/set piece and the party will completely fucking skip it. That’s okay though, now I have a partial idea for later. I hope that gives you some insight into the other side. I’m also interested in other DMs that make their own, what methods they use.
Have a read of Fate core, there’s an SRD online for just the rules but the core book is great for GM advice, even if the system is way too meta for my taste now. Blades in the Dark also has some excellent GM advice and is currently my favourite game system.
I’m running a Fate game currently with nothing pre written and Very minimal prep week to week.
Session zero players make characters and decide what elements they want to see in the world, vampires, Wizards, cults, werewolves. This gives me themes and factions to work with.
Between session 0 and 1 I did a fair bit of prep (like a couple hours) but only so far as main factions, key characters, goals and some aspects.
Once you know who the key people are and what they want it’s pretty easy to plan, they will follow their goals unless the players get in the way somehow.
Then between each session all I need to do is think how the world reacts to the last session. Usually all that means is that someone now wants to kill the PC’s as top priority. My usual planning time is like 15 to 30 minutes, often less. Though I’m happy running a very improv heavy game and think I’m pretty good at coming up with interesting scenarios off the cuff.
Some people benefit from having more groundwork laid out.
Regarding illusion of choice, I started like that: do you go left or right? It doesn’t matter I’ve made one map and it’s a circle so your going to the end whatever you do.
I find my current way more fun, it’s less work and I get to be surprised by what happens as well. Yeah it’s frustrating if I have a cool idea and the players decide that the faction it translates to isn’t that exciting and don’t interact but given all ove done with that facton is named the leader thought about their resources and goals if it’s not used yet it’s not really a waste of my time.
Just to reassure you that you can run games without a module and with very minimal prep but the improv muscles need lost of practice.
I have run games in a few different styles, sometimes with a list of enemies and monsters and story on the fly; other times with a few sessions well planned
Once years ago I wrote a plan for my group that ran to forty pages, but I knew them well and felt I could predict how they’d go - they were led around by the temptation of riches
Why have I never had that issue?
Do people really just write their adventures as a list of predefined conditions and consequences and if players dont meet the condition, the consequence just never happens?
I would go mad. Just write what you want the PCs to learn, who the bad guys are and what they want to do, and what the players get as a reward for stopping them.
All the rest just flows from there?
If your players walk away from your hooks then they don’t want story, just throw random encounters from a table at them.
As a GM of exclusively pre-written content, I find this terrifying but intriguing. I would love to be able to totally homebrew an adventure, but the amount of planning and prep beforehand seems daunting (which feels ironic, given my experience as a GM lol). Is it often an illusion of choice, where you may lay out a handful of hooks that, over time, lead to the same destination?
I don’t like the term “illusion of choice” or “railroad” for my style, even though I can see how people might think that’s what’s going on. The players don’t get a choice in what major story beats are going to happen, which NPCs they meet and what set-piece encounters they experience. They do get a choice in what context they meet these people, where they are when they experience the major story beats and how to engage with the set-piece encounter.
For example: In my last session I wanted three things:
So a regular questgiver gave the PCs the task to find and protect this Fairstyle character (hook). How they go about this is their choice. But whatever they do, once they rolled two or three times successfully to find Mr. Fairstyle (be that through asking around amongst their contacts, using divination magic, or digging through the church register to find Mr. Fairstyle and his antecendants), they will get a solid clue to his location. He can be found in a public place where scandal is to be avoided. Once there, they find Mr. Fairstyle and Dr. Mingel already engaged in polite conversation, which they can join. They observe behaviour in Dr. Mingel that reveals him to be a bad guy. When leaving the public place either Mr. Fairstyle or Dr. Mingel will attempt to flee from them (depending on context and who they try to chase).
All of these things will happen. All of the details are up to my players. E.g. I did not know ahead of time that Mr. Fairstyle and Dr. Mingel would be in a Casino playing a rare card game that is only offered in this one place. It was a casino with a specific card game because thats what the trail of clues led the PCs too and the 3rd successful roll was when talking to a gambling guy who had met Mr. Fairstyle before (I hadn’t fixed the number 3 before either, that was purely based on how much time they spent searching and what the mood was at the table, if we had gotten caught up in throwing back Monty Python quotes for half an hour a single roll would have sufficed and if the players were really into the investigation bit it would have taken them 5 or 7). The players decided to chase down Dr. Mingel when exiting the casino and leaving Mr. Fairstyle to fend for himself. So while they caught Dr. Mingel, his henchmen caught Mr. Fairstyle and while they try to get him back, (spoiler alert) Dr. Mingel will escape in their abscence.
Edit: Btw, they had killed a previous incarnation of Dr. Mingel without learning his name or talking to him. So the dead guy is now Dr. Mingels dear but insignificant assistant, for which he also wants to kill the players (long term). The story beat they hit there was “disrupt one of Dr. Mingels operations”, and the set piece encounter was a fight in a warehouse full of chemicals. I would have liked it if “Dr. Mingel” had gotten away from that fight (in which case they would have recognised him in the casino), but “learn the BBEGs name” was not on the agenda for that session so they don’t even know that they 1st turn killed the BBEG of an entire story arc. Because they didn’t because that wasn’t Dr. Mingel because that’s not the context the players created.
Not who you responded to, but I can’t follow a pre made campaign as a DM. My current campaign started as a pre made, but prepping for it felt too much like homework so we hopped the rails and I’ve been my own story.
To answer your question from how I operate, I have a rough idea of what the conclusion of the campaign looks like and a rough odea of how the party might get there. I only really know the specifics of what the party is currently doing or what they might encounter in the next months. At this point in the campaign the the players know who the big baddie is, what they’re up to, and know of means to stop them. It’s up to them to figure out a plan to stop the big bad. The party has taken some of my hooks to solve their problems and have gone completely off the rails at some points to solve their problems. There are some points in the campaign that are pretty linear (like right now, they need a macguffin from a particular place) and some where they’re given set pieces, a location, and a good luck slap of the ass.
As it pertains to the meme up here for me personally, sometimes I’ll build an encounter/boss/set piece and the party will completely fucking skip it. That’s okay though, now I have a partial idea for later. I hope that gives you some insight into the other side. I’m also interested in other DMs that make their own, what methods they use.
Have a read of Fate core, there’s an SRD online for just the rules but the core book is great for GM advice, even if the system is way too meta for my taste now. Blades in the Dark also has some excellent GM advice and is currently my favourite game system. I’m running a Fate game currently with nothing pre written and Very minimal prep week to week.
Session zero players make characters and decide what elements they want to see in the world, vampires, Wizards, cults, werewolves. This gives me themes and factions to work with.
Between session 0 and 1 I did a fair bit of prep (like a couple hours) but only so far as main factions, key characters, goals and some aspects. Once you know who the key people are and what they want it’s pretty easy to plan, they will follow their goals unless the players get in the way somehow.
Then between each session all I need to do is think how the world reacts to the last session. Usually all that means is that someone now wants to kill the PC’s as top priority. My usual planning time is like 15 to 30 minutes, often less. Though I’m happy running a very improv heavy game and think I’m pretty good at coming up with interesting scenarios off the cuff. Some people benefit from having more groundwork laid out.
Regarding illusion of choice, I started like that: do you go left or right? It doesn’t matter I’ve made one map and it’s a circle so your going to the end whatever you do. I find my current way more fun, it’s less work and I get to be surprised by what happens as well. Yeah it’s frustrating if I have a cool idea and the players decide that the faction it translates to isn’t that exciting and don’t interact but given all ove done with that facton is named the leader thought about their resources and goals if it’s not used yet it’s not really a waste of my time.
Just to reassure you that you can run games without a module and with very minimal prep but the improv muscles need lost of practice.
I have run games in a few different styles, sometimes with a list of enemies and monsters and story on the fly; other times with a few sessions well planned
Right now I’m running a pretty cheap story, with procedurally generated landscape and dungeons, and stories inspired by the https://d20srd.org random adventure generator
Once years ago I wrote a plan for my group that ran to forty pages, but I knew them well and felt I could predict how they’d go - they were led around by the temptation of riches