Nick Sirianni (32-12)
Brandon Staley (23-21)
MCDC (20-24-1)
Arthur Smith (18-26)
Robert Saleh (15-30)
h.m to Urban Meyer (2-11) and david culley (4-13) (we miss you dave).
thoughts on this class?
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Why is Dan Campbell MCDC not just Dan Campbell? What have I missed?
Motor City.
I had to google that one.
dan campbell nickname
How the hell does Staley still have a job? Fire his ass.
Siriani and Dan Campbell are pretty good Saleh is not on the hit seat this season, but his leash is short Smith and Staley are expected to be gone any minute
.75 winning percentage “Pretty good”
Who wtf is MCDC
Nick Sirianni - hard to knock him. Very successful.
Brandon Staley - ass.
Dan Campbell - I’m a bit more critical of Dan than most on r/nfl. I like his aggression, but I think they struck lightning by getting Ben Johnson and it’s unlikely to repeat when he becomes a HC. I think we start to see him falter once that happens and he eventually loses r/nfl’s undying support.
Arthur Smith - his teams have overperformed with him, however, I can see them moving on after this rough year. Cool offensive scheme, done a good job covering up gaps at QB, but it confuses me that he refuses to use any of his top 10 pick skill position players. Kyle Pitts and Bijan Robinson not producing more at this point is… just weird.
Robert Saleh - absolutely a victim of his organization. He’s proven more than I gave him credit for in SF that he can build an elite defense and bring out the most in guys on that side of the ball. The Rodgers trade was a good idea but my god every decision the FO made after that was terrible. Cook is washed, all of Rodgers’ friends are bad at football, and Hackett at OC is a joke. They set Saleh up to fail and didn’t get a QB after Rodgers was immediately.
Ultimately Saleh might be around the 15-20th best HC in the league, but he’s being sandbagged by Joe Douglass and the owner into looking worse.
Urban Meyer - Bobby Petrino type of bad.
David Culley - elite fall guy.
I honestly think Meyer is worse than Petrino and it’s not super close. Yes Petrino is obviously scummy yet he got legitimate bad roster luck and just checked out. Meyer was historically bad with reasonable talent, didn’t ever lose the locker room as he never even had it to with, has a long list of gaffes directly related to his coaching ability (being unprepared, kicking the kicker, having a meeting where he asked all his assistants to defend their resumes and proclaimed himself a “winner”, and bought an extra day before meeting with the team after he was caught dancing after losing the Cinci game). Plus another coach stepped in the next year and made the playoffs.
I think your point about Campbell is a bad one. Of course, Ben Johnson is excellent. Who hired him? Campbell. He moved on from and hired Ben Johnson after keeping him on staff after Patricia was fired.
An absolutely critical part of being a HC is hiring staff. Can’t take that away from Campbell. Johnson deserves credit for the offense and that’s it. We have no idea what he’ll do as a head coach. Campbell has done a great job with Detroit and deserves the credit I think you’re withholding.
Yes. Credit to Dan Campbell for hiring Ben Johnson. It’s absolutely a notch in his belt that he hired Ben Johnson.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE IS GOING TO GET A BEN JOHNSON EVERY TIME HE HIRES SOMEONE.
Credit to Dan Quinn for hiring Kyle Shannahan to be his OC for the Falcons. That does not mean he will get Kyle Shannahan 2.0 when Kyle Shannahan eventually moves on to the 49ers.
Credit to Sean McDermott for hiring Brian Daboll. That does not mean the next guy he hires is Brian Daboll 2.0.
Credit to Mike Vrabel for hiring Arthur Smith. That does not mean the next guy he hires is Arthur Smith 2.0.
Yes, hiring a great staff is a skill. However, even if you’re great at it, you probably won’t be able to sustain it. There’s not enough great coaches available to do that. All of these HCs have proven they can make the right hire, but they haven’t proven they can do it over and over and over again as their OCs get poached.
The fuck is the point of this? He hasn’t even lost Ben Johnson yet. Plus he’s taken a losing ass culture and made it something fun. We have no idea what he will or won’t sustain over time. You’re just not giving him credit for what he’s done there no when no one has been able to do it so far
Congrats to him for doing well. Doesn’t really change my stance. There’s no reason to get so offended over this lukewarm opinion.
Dude you’re the one getting all pissy that some people are disagreeing lol
It’s okay bro. People here can’t think more than a minute into the future much less years. I agree with you.
Ben Johnson was actually hired by Matt Patricia. Thankfully MCDC decided to keep him on.
Right I still think it’s good he kept him on staff if he thought he was a good addition.
Smith’s teams are no longer over performing given the weakness of the NFCS
Idk how you can point out how stupid his refusal to use talented offensive players is while saying his scheme is cool and covering up a lack of talent. His “cool scheme” gets Jonnu Smith and Tyler Allgeier more touches than Pitts and Bijan. That’s just asinine
Bijan has more touches, Pitts and Jonnu have the same amount. Idk why casuals say he “doesn’t use his guys” like they should give Bijan 350 touches in a non-SB contending year. Just run the guy into the ground why not
Smith’s teams are no longer over performing given the weakness of the NFCS
Right, but this is a 3 year sample size I’m talking about.
I feel like I said everything you’re saying already in my own post, yet you’re arguing with me about it. As if I didn’t say just that.
I kind of think Saleh has had no chance at all tbh.
Of course he could have done some stuff better, but his defense is elite. If you put Saleh as HC on the Chargers this season with Moore at OC we probably go 12-5.
18-26 isn’t bad at all considering the roster but I’ve seen blatant misuse of high draft picks who are clearly talented and some boneheaded coaching mistakes
Siriani is obviously #1. Constant success and a SB appearance.
Then MCDC has to be #2. Actual culture and tone change in Detroit and their best start to a season in decades.
Staley has to be gone after this year barring a massive turnaround, IMO. He has one of the best QBs in the league and still can’t stop his team from tripping over themselves.
Arthur Smith is a bust too, IMO but I know less about the Falcons.
Saleh has had it tough but honestly sticking with Wilson wasn’t the best decision IMO.
We SUCK. That is all that is needed.
I don’t think that sticking with Wilson was Saleh’s decision. He literally couldn’t explain it to a reporter.
Smith was dealt a raw hand and hasn’t had too much to work with his first two years. This year however, he’s had more to work with and wasn’t cap straddled. Our QBs are not great, but his actual play calling is all over the place and it seems like he’s hit his limit on what he can achieve as HC. Maybe we’ll come out looking a different team tomorrow after our bye, but most likely we look like shit and the team plays with no consistency.
Terry fontenot doesn’t appear to be helping either. We have no depth because his drafts are pretty weak.
It would be much better if we threw them both out and started over.
Coach Robert Saleh needs a do-over.
Minus the Jets front office. The OC, or whatever bullshit title Hackett holds and doesn’t know how to coach or use said title. Minus Aaron Rogers and the chaos he brings.
Bonus; minus Zach Wilson unless with a competent veteran qb to help Zach Wilson like with what usually happens in the league.
I’m prepared for the downvotes, but my former coach has gotten a raw deal & he’s an awesome coach and great dude.
Sirianni has the potential to be legendary. Campbell is on track to be a very solid coach. The rest will be lucky to be employed next year
Mcdc?
Sirianni is the only keeper. In theory Saleh is a keeper, but I think he needs to hit the reset button and find a new coaching gig somewhere else.
Someone help me out who the hell is MCDC
Dan Campbell but I have no clue what MC stands for.
Motor city Dan Campbell (for anyone who comes across this and wants to know)
Bro people are still defending Salad, but man’s is a losing machine at 15-30.
Nick Sirianni- Great head coach and I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s the only one from this class that wins a super bowl.
Brandon Staley- Worse than shit he compliments shit.
MCDC- Good head coach and he’s got an ever bigger heart should keep the Lions competitive even when Johnson inevitably leaves for a head coaching gig.
Arthur Smith- A professional Mr. Potato Head look alike and knows nothing about utilizing his weapons on offense.
Robert Saleh- Good DC not a good coach.
Urban Meyer- I’m the head ball coach and I can sweep the leg if I want is the exact reason why you don’t hire college coaches to the NFL.
David Culley- Nice guy who served a purpose of getting fired.