To what possible end? I’m not denying climate change and deforestation are huge issues for birds too, but I’ve lived with a lot of cats in my life. My friends have had outdoor cats. I know how much they kill even when its not their primary source of food. You also seem to be downplaying the impact of any invasive species not on an island, or misunderstanding why the risk is so high on an island. It’s not simply a lack of room for escape but also small populations of animals. Which can obviously accelerate how fast extinction occurs. That doesn’t mean that invasive species are not also a major problem on continents though, merely that it takes a longer time for ecological disruption to play out.
This study cites the 2013 study in addition to several other studies done since. It’s not just a single study that documented this, nor a single region of the world. I also don’t understand why you refer to me as “you people” as though I am even attempting to argue your original point. I’m not, I know and agree that climate change is especially in the long term the most serious issue for biodiversity. I’m only commenting to add that there are other human caused factors also decimating wildlife populations.
To win a pointless internet argument, who knows. I don’t even care, because the why doesn’t really matter. The point is that anecdotal evidence is pointless and just there to make you feel better about whatever hypothesis you’re supporting, but it’s not actually factual data we should trust and build policies around. And sorry, but studies citing this study as their base assumption is also not making that point any more valid, it just proves my point further. If anything you want proper studies that back up this claim and actually confirm it, but with actual data instead of a bunch of guesstimates. Until then I cannot take it seriously.
Its not worth arguing over since the end result is the same either way. Wild domestic cat population control is important enough that people all around the world are addressing it, and whether you think cats have an impact or not will not affect that in any way. I only initially commented because it’s one of the many reasons you shouldn’t let your cats go outdoors, and the topic of small birds is relevant. I had no intention of arguing with anyone lol
To what possible end? I’m not denying climate change and deforestation are huge issues for birds too, but I’ve lived with a lot of cats in my life. My friends have had outdoor cats. I know how much they kill even when its not their primary source of food. You also seem to be downplaying the impact of any invasive species not on an island, or misunderstanding why the risk is so high on an island. It’s not simply a lack of room for escape but also small populations of animals. Which can obviously accelerate how fast extinction occurs. That doesn’t mean that invasive species are not also a major problem on continents though, merely that it takes a longer time for ecological disruption to play out.
This study cites the 2013 study in addition to several other studies done since. It’s not just a single study that documented this, nor a single region of the world. I also don’t understand why you refer to me as “you people” as though I am even attempting to argue your original point. I’m not, I know and agree that climate change is especially in the long term the most serious issue for biodiversity. I’m only commenting to add that there are other human caused factors also decimating wildlife populations.
To win a pointless internet argument, who knows. I don’t even care, because the why doesn’t really matter. The point is that anecdotal evidence is pointless and just there to make you feel better about whatever hypothesis you’re supporting, but it’s not actually factual data we should trust and build policies around. And sorry, but studies citing this study as their base assumption is also not making that point any more valid, it just proves my point further. If anything you want proper studies that back up this claim and actually confirm it, but with actual data instead of a bunch of guesstimates. Until then I cannot take it seriously.
Its not worth arguing over since the end result is the same either way. Wild domestic cat population control is important enough that people all around the world are addressing it, and whether you think cats have an impact or not will not affect that in any way. I only initially commented because it’s one of the many reasons you shouldn’t let your cats go outdoors, and the topic of small birds is relevant. I had no intention of arguing with anyone lol