• deegeese@sopuli.xyz
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    11 months ago

    Pretty clearly shows why there’s no future for nuclear power.

    Even for filling gaps in renewables, peaker plants are getting cheaper and don’t take 15 years to build.

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      11 months ago

      And it is always a question how they calculated handling of nuclear waste.

      There are options, we can use coal and natural gas for on demand power to fill the gaps in renewables, we don’t have to quit all at once. New ideas for energy storage and comming around, some of them might be useful for small towns, others for remote places.

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        11 months ago

        there is very very very little nuclear waste.this is complete handwringing. it can be buried and forgotten.

        Bigger issue is the carbon costs and pay back periods. Nuclear (unless you’ve got sources otherwise stating) is green in it’s planning phase but not as often in execution. A shit ton of concrete is used, and the plants rarely operate at the capacity they are expected to (or have in the past). Open to revision but that’s my current understanding.

        They are a massive upfront carbon cost and only become carbon neutral or negative relative to fossil fuels 20+ years down the line.

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        11 months ago

        nuclear waste, by definition of being radioactive, is the only wast that goes away on it’s own if you leave it sit for long enough

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          I was considering whether this is just a shitpost, but your other comments suggest that you’re completely serious. It does not go away. Radioactive decay causes multiple transitions between radioactive elements until it ends up as lead, which does not decay further.

          Of course, it should also be said that it’s better to have no waste than waste that eventually turns into lead.
          And that it’s still better to have waste than waste which also happens to be toxic.

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            11 months ago

            right, but when it lands at lead it’s no longer radioactive waste, which is the part everyone’s scared of. chemical waste doesn’t just go away like that.

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      11 months ago

      I think that’s too simplistic of a view. Part of the high cost of nuclear is because of the somewhat niche use. As with everything, economies of scale makes things cheaper. Supporting one nuclear plant with specialized labor, parts, fuel, etc is much more expensive then supporting 100 plants, per Watt.

      I can’t say more plants would drastically reduce costs. But it would definitely help.

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          11 months ago

          Of course It is, the incompetent and ignorant people that try to hinder it’s use is the problem

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            11 months ago

            The nuclear industry is 100% responsible for the operational record of the nuclear industry.

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              11 months ago

              Reading comprehension isn’t really your strong suit, eh? “The incompetent and ignorant people that try to hinder it’s use is the problem”

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                11 months ago

                If you are hired to do a task and then overrun the budget by 14B$ I wouldn’t exactly call it furthering the cause. More like incompetence and/or trying to detail the project.

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        11 months ago

        The source article actually talks about this and measured data suggests nuclear cost actually went up, despite more capacity being built.

        This is the first time, I’ve read this anywhere. More sources/studies would be really important. And there is lots of interpretations to be had on the why, but assuming the article isn’t completely off the mark, that’s cold, hard data suggesting that your (perfectly reasonable) assumption is actually wrong, after all.

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          11 months ago

          Interesting, I’ll have to look at the source article.

          But as far as I’m aware the total amount of nuclear power has been decreasing in recent years. This might change with China’s future plants.

          I’ve also read about small modular reactor designs gaining traction, which would help alleviate the heavy costs of one off plants we currently design and build.

          Not saying the source is wrong, just saying that’s what I used to form my opinion.

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          11 months ago

          bullshit regulatory costs can increase infinitely without nay change to the underlying engineering or economics. that’s 100% the cause of the price increses

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            11 months ago

            Possible. But well, whether these regulations actually are bullshit or not, kind of doesn’t matter. A dumb solar panel won’t ever need to be regulated as much. If that’s what makes it cheaper, it still is cheaper.

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      11 months ago

      This chart is worthless, so it doesn’t show anything. Like 2 data points for this? Seriously? And there was a pandemic and a war since then…