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You didn’t ask but as a huge advocate of Linux Mint I want to share that I installed Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon Edge on my AMD Framework laptop and have found that it works ‘out-of-the-box’, zero issues at all.
Disclaimer: I upgraded the BIOS to 3.03 before installing an OS—don’t know how it would have fared on 3.02.
FYI I’m running Debian 12 on an Intel 13th gen with no issues whatsoever. Another user here posted they’re running Debian 12 on the AMD mobo as well with no issues. They did have to update the BIOS to 3.03, as mentioned in your post.
I was using Fedora for about a year and a half with no issues. There were a few things I need to tweak for my personal use but the guides and stuff I found online were super helpful.
I decided to give Quebes a try and only issue I’ve had so far is YouTube and plex play back stutter. I’m sure there’s a fix but I haven’t had the time to troubleshoot it.
I’m running Ubuntu 23.10 right now and that worked OOTB. It’s not without it’s quirks (it will occasionally kpanic when resuming from sleep about 1 times in 20) but otherwise works well.
Thanks, I am planning to buy FW13 and want to run Ubuntu 23.10.
Linux support lead here.
We love and recommend Fedora. However, it’s going to see updates that may introduce regressions. Due to the cutting edge nature compared to say, Ubuntu LTS.
So in terms of overall stability, Ubuntu LTS (using our guide) is the recommended choice at this time.
Fedora is by far, more stable than other closer to cutting edge distros.
To Fedora’s credit, they are awesome about working to stamp out anything that crops up.
Tltr. Fedora is a fantastic choice if you want current kernels, etc. Ubuntu 22.04 LTS with the OEM C kernel is usually more stable as it’s simply LTS (Long Term Support) and not seeing bleeding edge packages.
Full disclosure, Fedora is my personal and professional use.
Cutting edge vs bleeding edge IMHO:
Cutting edge, Fedora Workstation. Closer to beeding edge, Fedora Rawhide.
We see Fedora team members on the forums, actively participating. They are amazing.
Doesn’t that come down to what one defines as stable? To me LTS stable is just stagnant, but I prefer my software to be up-to-date.
If I look at Firefox 119.01 I don’t think it less stable than Firefox 78.6.1 (ESR)
Just how that text reads (second image) makes you think the stable tag shouldn’t exist for 22.04… Modifying something ‘out of the box’ does not seem stable when compared to something that works out of the box with updates.
Anyway thank you for all the work you do to ensure Linux works well on Framework laptops.
Doesn’t that come down to what one defines as stable? To me LTS stable is just stagnant, but I prefer my software to be up-to-date.
- Firefox (snap) continues to be updated.
- Stable in that it’s at a xx.xx.3 release state and has been thoroughly put through its paces. :)
- We work with our partners to make sure we are able to provide the best experience possible. In this case, we use OEM C as we have patches and fixes applied to that kernel set by our partners (AMD, etc). Regressions still occur of course, but are less frequent on LTS.
Appreciate the kind words. We are working like mad, and with a tiny team, it limits what we’d like to have done. But thankfully our partners are amazing, which helps.
Anything that requires snaps can stay well away from my system, as I’ve never had good experiences with them compared to real packages (or even flatpaks, which seem to solve the problem snaps are trying to solve without being awful).
To me LTS stable is just stagnant
No new features nor regressions, but bugs and security issues still get patched.
That’s not stagnant. That’s the definition of “stable”.
Thank you very much for explaining this and even giving out a personal recommendation. I can see where my confusion came from and I also get what is the intended purpose and that they (the information in the screenshots) are in fact not conflicting. Great to know that you and other employees are actively engaging with the community!
Appreciate it! We do what we can. :)
Unrelated question. Does framework add DSP or similar black magic so the speakers sound better? If so is it the same for windows/Linux? I don’t know of any vendors who provides this on Linux. Asahi Linux (linux for apple silicon, and their flagship distro is fedora) just landed speaker support for m1 macs and they sound awesome/just as good as on macos. I believe they actually had to work with upstream to make it possible and now other vendors could follow suit. It would be awesome to see framework implement this. As of now the best sounding laptop running Linux is a MacBook.