In addition to the possible business threat, forcing OpenAI to identify its use of copyrighted data would expose the company to potential lawsuits. Generative AI systems like ChatGPT and DALL-E are trained using large amounts of data scraped from the web, much of it copyright protected. When companies disclose these data sources it leaves them open to legal challenges. OpenAI rival Stability AI, for example, is currently being sued by stock image maker Getty Images for using its copyrighted data to train its AI image generator.

Aaaaaand there it is. They don’t want to admit how much copyrighted materials they’ve been using.

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      You wouldn’t be saying that if it was your content that was being ripped off

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          if you read a copyrighted material without paying and then forgot most of it a month later with vague recollection of what you’ve read the fact is you still accessed and used the copyrighted material without paying.

          Now let’s go a step further, you write something that is inspired by that copyrighted material and what you wrote become successful to some degree with eyes on it, but you refuse to admit that’s where you got the idea from because you only have a vague recollection. The fact is you got the idea from the copyrighted material.

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              Except the illegally obtaining the copyrighted material part, which is the main point. And definitely not on this scale.

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          That’s, uh, exactly how they work? They need large amounts of training data, and that data isn’t being generated in house.

          It’s being stolen, scraped from the internet.

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            If it was publicly available on the internet, then it wasn’t stolen. OpenAI hasn’t been hacking into restricted content that isn’t meant for public consumption. You’re allowed to download anything you see online (technically, if you’re seeing it, you’ve already downloaded it). And you’re allowed to study anything you see online. Even for personal use. Even for profit. Taking inspiration from something isn’t a crime. That’s allowed. If it wasn’t, the internet wouldn’t function at a fundamental level.

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              I don’t think you understand how copyright works. Something appearing on the internet doesn’t give you automatic full commercial rights to it.

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                An AI has just as much right to web scrape as you do. It’s not a violation of copyright to do so.

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                    It’s the same thing. Just because you have personal opinions on the matter, however valid they may be, doesn’t make it any less the exact same thing.

                    That’s like saying that McDonald’s Super Sized fries aren’t fries because they’re commercially large. No, it’s still fries, there’s just a lot of fries being processed in one serving. And yet, despite the arguments and outcries of many, still legal.

                    Exact same thing with LLMs.

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      Note that what the EU is requesting is for OpenAI to disclose information, nobody says (yet?) that they can’t use copyrighted material, what they are asking is for OpenAI to be transparent with sharing the training method, and what material is being used.

      The problem seems to be that OpenAI doesn’t want to be “Open” anymore.

      In March, Open AI co-founder Ilya Sutskever told The Verge that the company had been wrong to disclose so much in the past, and that keeping information like training methods and data sources secret was necessary to stop its work being copied by rivals.

      Of couse, disclosing openly what materials are being used for training might leave them open for lawsuits, but whether or not it’s legal to use copyrighted material for training is something that is still in the air, so it’s a risk either way, whether they disclose it or not.

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      Your first comment and it is to support OpenAI.

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      Haaaa, OpenAI, this famous hippies led, non-profit firm.

      2015–2018: Non-profit beginnings

      2019: Transition from non-profit

      Funded by Musk and Amazon. The friends of humanity.

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        With replies like this, it’s no wonder he was hesitant to post in the first place.

        There’s no need for the hostility and finger pointing.