With QBs that have retired in the last 5 years, there are some interesting HOF debates that I see coming up. Right now the sure-fire HOF guys are Brady, Brees, and Rodgers when he retires. The next tier, however, is a lot more interesting. You have Matt Ryan, Big Ben, and Rivers who are all very close. What’s interesting is that according to Pro Football Reference’s HOF Monitor, they all have fairly similar scores even though they have different resumes. Ryan has the MVP/All-Pro 1 season which is pretty much required unless you have 2 Super Bowls. Ben doesn’t have a crazy MVP season, but he does have those 2 Super Bowls and 17 good years. Then Rivers has some crazy counting stats. I think that Ryan and Roethlisberger have a slight edge over Rivers but it is very hard to separate the 3. So my question is do we think any of them make it? If they do it opens up the debate for a lot of players in the future. Also, how do we think the HOF committee weighs Rings/MVPS/All-Pro teams? The media is always so focused on the rings but looking at the resumes of HOF QBs there are a lot more without rings than there are without All-Pro seasons.

Edit: Here is the PFR Monitor. The average HOF QB has a score of 108. Ryan has a score of 106, Ben has a score of 100, and Rivers is at 98.

    • Kentuxx@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      It’s Super Bowl wins, it’s as simple as that. Ben gets in bc he won and the others didn’t. It’s the difference of Goff vs Stafford on the rams. Stafford is a hall of fame QB, Goff as of now is not. Barring injuries, Goff is setup to have a similar career to Ryan and Rivers.

    • michaelb421@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      I think rivers gets in but it will take a bit. Matt Ryan is a no. I don’t feel like Matt Ryan should be in. He was decent. Big Ben will only get in due to his rings and because he played for the Steelers.

    • Krawlin91@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Ben is sure thing only thing that might hold him off first ballot is his off the field problems but dude has 2 rings and 3 sb appearances

    • glassclouds1894@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Agreed. Ben is above them imo. Matt and Rivers were good stats QBs with longevity. If it wasn’t for 2 Super Bowls against the evil empire, Eli wouldn’t have a shot, but that makes him a lock.

    • Wedoitforthenut@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      The only reason Ben gets in is his SB wins, but I honestly don’t think thats enough. Eli has 2 of those. I don’t think any of the 3 should make the HoF.

    • sirinigva@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      While I generally agree that Ben will get in. I’m not confident he should.

      I dont think he cracked top 3 at any point in his career, it was pretty much Brady, Payton, Farve/Rodgers, Brees all above him in his prime years.

      I personally want to see the HOF be a lot stricter especially when it comes to QBs and how inflated their stats have gotten recently.

    • BowTie1989@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      Simple question, was there any stretch during rivers career where you’d say he was the a top 5 guy? Brady, P. Manning, Brees, Rogers and Big Ben were better so he’s not even in the top 5 in his own generation of QBs. He’s got stats, cool, so do plenty of other QBs. I brought this up a few days ago; being top ten in stats doesn’t mean much in the HoF voting because in this day and age the top 10 in stats is filled with your peers. Every good QB is putting up all time numbers so you need something else to separate you and get you into the hall.