• pathief@lemmy.world
    513·
    1 year ago

    I can only hope plasma6 has serious improvements on Wayland compatibility with nvidia drivers because plasma5 is unusable.

    Yes, I know it works on your machine. It doesn’t work on mine :P

    • kadu@lemmy.world
      23·
      1 year ago

      Nvidia’s latest driver patched several issues with Wayland sessions - perhaps the experience will be a tiny bit better now

      • pathief@lemmy.world
        4·
        1 year ago

        Waiting for the driver to reach the repos to try it out. I am hopefull in an Hyprland future! You know, some day!

    • merthyr1831@lemmy.worldEnglish
      122·
      1 year ago

      Hopefully Fedora and others forcing users onto Wayland is going to help push Wayland devs to fixing the stuff that’s breaking compatibility for everyone still stuck on X11.

      • SquigglyEmpire@lemmy.world
        71·
        1 year ago

        Wayland is just a protocol, issues need to be fixed by devs of the apps/toolkits that have still haven’t migrated over unfortunately.

      • pathief@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        Yeah, I share the feeling. Not sure if the problem lies on Wayland or Nvidia but hopefully if Wayland becomes the standard they’ll address the elephant in the room!

    • devfuuu@lemmy.world
      81·
      1 year ago

      Completely agree. I keep trying to open a new session on a clean new user regularly to check if it works and it is absolutely horrible. 3 days ago after updating the system and seeing some new latest kde versions coming in, tried again and noped the out of it in a few minutes. The fonts and scalling in so many places are very bad.

      I keep reading about great improvements in the 6 version and am really hopeful for it to be usable.

      Or the problem is just that no developers have normal regular laptops that are 14’’ at 1080p and can’t imagine that proper scaling at 125% and 150% needs to work out of the box.

      Edit: I don’t even have nvidia hardware, it’s just regular intel stuff. Can’t imagine the struggle of nvidia folks.

      • Chewy@discuss.tchncs.de
        1·
        1 year ago

        The other half of the developers have 13" 2160p displays that are sharp either way – but don’t notice the battery life hit.

        Iirc there’s ongoing work for proper fractional scaling protocol, so it might get fixed for KDE/QT applications at some point.

        • KISSmyOS@lemmy.world
          2·
          1 year ago

          Iirc there’s ongoing work for proper fractional scaling protocol

          I don’t know why “making stuff show up bigger on a screen” isn’t a solved problem in 2023, and at this point I’m afraid to ask.

          • Chewy@discuss.tchncs.de
            2·
            1 year ago

            Many apps are designed with bitmap icons (png, jpg) instead if svg, so fractional scaling requires manual changes.

            Also, frameworks like GTK don’t have enough development resources to quickly make changes to support anything besides integer scaling. It’s difficult to change to fractions if everything assumes integers.

            PS: “making stuff show up bigger on a screen” works already, it’s just not perfect. Windows is as far as I know the only OS coming close to doing scaling perfectly. Except Android and similar OS that were designed with fractional scaling in mind.

    • Xirup@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      4·
      1 year ago

      Completely agree, as an NVIDIA user (for now) I am screwed if I am required to use Wayland. I mean, I use Wayland for a long time and it works well with NVIDIA but there are many things that don’t quite work, like many emulators (Yuzu/RPCS3) that for some reason have a strange tearing, or some programs that simply won’t open in xWayland.

  • GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml
    384·
    1 year ago

    I’m really looking forward to Plasma6. I know gnome has its fans but I am really just a reluctant user. Every day gnome works against me and I have to resort to workarounds.

    Do I want to navigate, inspect, and manipulate my files quickly? I use dolphin.

    Do I want to have a convenient panel to get a very quick glance of my currently running programs as well as a place to pin my most commonly used ones? That’s an extension.

    Do I want sub-windows to always block their parent window, preventing me from interacting with the parent further? No solution.

    Do I want desktop icons? Do I want excessive notifications from common tasks my computer is doing instead of from my own programs?

    I have more complaints but I think I am making myself clear. Overall I do like gnome and it has good performance, but there are so many annoying aspects. KDE is itself not perfect. There’s enough reasons for me to continue using gnome over kde5. But that’s why I hold out hope for plasma 6.

    • RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml
      11·
      1 year ago

      Anybody else really hate how a lot of gnome programs have settings that are hidden in the optional gnome-tweaks program instead of putting them in the control panel or program preferences? I swear gnome3 is the only DE that genuinely despises its users.

    • TeryVeneno@lemmy.ml
      32·
      1 year ago

      What are your reasons to use gnome over kde? Most of the things you mentioned are reasons I use gnome over kde so I’m curious to know other perspectives.

      • GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml
        1·
        1 year ago

        Overall I do think KDE is more cluttered. So I like Gnome’s streamlined appearance (even if it omits too much). I also think the desktop compositor and shell are really well made, (i.e. mutter and gnome-shell), so I don’t really have performance complaints.

  • merthyr1831@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20·
    1 year ago

    Good for Fedora for being a trendsetter regarding Wayland, though I’m sure others are right in suggesting that this is probably not being done with KDE’s express approval lol.

  • penquin@lemm.ee
    181·
    1 year ago

    I just want kde on Wayland not to have blury font with fractional scaling. It’s just unusable. Once that’s fixed, I’m all set to use it as my daily driver.

    • Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social
      213·
      1 year ago

      How hard do you have to search to find these x11 fanboys? Because whenever this topic comes up, the only detractors I see are users who complain because they can’t use wayland for various reasons.

      On the other hand those on the other extreme are easier to find, as they always celebrate x11 users (willingly or not) getting screwed; so toxic.

    • pathief@lemmy.world
      204·
      1 year ago

      I don’t think anyone is an X11 fan boy. We all know Wayland is the future. I would be using it if it worked on my machine.

        • dunestorm@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 year ago

          I was going to say, you haven’t been on the internet long enough if you think there aren’t people out there petty enough to defend a dying display server 😂

      • AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml
        4·
        1 year ago

        Try Phoronix

        A bunch of old fucks jerking themselves off to a half functional workflow they’ve had since 1987

        • pathief@lemmy.world
          12·
          1 year ago

          X11 development is dead so it really is just a matter of time before Wayland is the norm and you’ll be saying stuff like “back in my days we used X11 and we liked it!”

        • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
          73·
          1 year ago

          Wayland is already the present for most Linux users.

          Shit, it’s been enabled by default on Debian since 2019. Debian. The famously slow-moving distro.

            • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
              42·
              1 year ago

              You could also list a bunch of insane stuff about X11. The security being hilariously bad, random tearing all the time, terrible multi-monitor support, terrible gesture support, etc.

              X11 lacks basic functionality.

                • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
                  12·
                  1 year ago

                  Of course it matters. Maybe you didn’t know, but Wayland doesn’t exist in a vacuum, X11 is the other choice. How could you possibly think it doesn’t matter lmao

                  Most distros are already Wayland and have been for a while.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldBEnglish
    6·
    1 year ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    Plans were drafted in September to offer KDE Plasma 6 in Fedora 40.

    All of these releases should take place at the end of February to inaugurate the Plasma 6.0 desktop.

    Fedora 40 meanwhile should be out by the end of April and the Fedora KDE spin or those otherwise manually installing the KDE desktop will thus be able to enjoy the fresh Plasma 6 experience.

    Well, the FESCo members have signed off on the Plasma 6.0 plan and the X11 support removal is still included.

    FESCo members voted in this ticket to approve the Plasma 6.0 change proposal for Fedora 40.

    Separately being pursued as well for Fedora 40 is removing the GNOME X11 session support.

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  • Eager Eagle@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    I really want to use wayland - and even though maybe I shouldn’t I still do on my laptop - but man… on Plasma 5 that thing is borked. And I’m not even running on NVIDIA.

    Whenever the system wakes up from sleep or an external display reconnects all open windows are gone and the system enters a weird state which forces me to reboot. How was “all windows are lost when the compositor crashes” not something fixed in the early days, is beyond me. That must make even developing for Wayland unnecessarily difficult/annoying.

  • deadcream@kbin.social
    710·
    1 year ago

    I wonder if they consulted Plasma devs about it. Sure they said that they aim to make Wayland ready for Plasma 6, but it didn’t sound like it was an actual plan for 6.0. After all they got their hands full with Qt 6 porting, and there are still major roadblocks with completing Wayland support, while 6.0 is about to have its alpha release already.

    Knowing Fedora devs however, I suspect they didn’t. They switched to Plasma Wayland by default several Fedora releases ago, when it was in no way ready. I guess I will switch to a different distro when this time comes.

    • Zamundaaa@discuss.tchncs.de
      7·
      1 year ago

      Yes, they did. Neal has been pushing for Wayland by default upstream for a while, and getting that in for Plasma 6.0 was and is the plan.

    • magikmw@lemm.ee
      3·
      1 year ago

      Or do what I do and don’t update for half a year. The previous version is supported for a month after the release the next-next version.

      • deadcream@kbin.social
        21·
        1 year ago

        It’s still not enough time for KDE devs to fix all major issues with Wayland. It requires at least another two years in the oven.

        • magikmw@lemm.ee
          3·
          1 year ago

          Maybe. Depends on the usecase. I’ve been running wayland for a year or so without trouble. Using moonlight to another machine for gaming and such.