cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/16451158
Dump the f’n Electoral College!!!
The fact that you think there’s two sides is the problem.
You gotta keep voting the lesser of two evils for the main elections, while voting for the best alternatives you can find locally.
I vote in all elections, while simultaneously believing all politics is theatre conducted by those that actually own the world.
It’s two-fold.
The overton window has shifted so far that we’re getting warmongering from the democrats.
‘Half’ of the congressional left are sleeper agents for the right.
The DNC keeps pushing right and refuses to do anything to keep us from sliding into authoritarianism. Appeasing the right, Siding with Israel.
But not voting left is the same as voting right, that IS how the right wins.
And voting left is just giving them a blank check to keep sliding that window further right.
Neither party is going to let a third party in.
Appeasing the left is making them worse.
The rub, people think if they keep not-voting or voting independent, the DNC will give in and start moving stuff left. They won’t. They don’t truly want to win.
It’s like fucking Brewsters millions out here, but “None of the Above” won’t fucking help either.
I think, mostly, we can agree that the agenda of the “left” is the lesser of two evils, but the evils are getting so bad that we need desperately to do something to move the window back left a little.
If you guarantee your vote to someone, they will lose any incentive to act for your benefit. It’s really that simple. And if genocide is not a bridge too far for you, God help you, because obviously there’s no limit to what you’ll put up with.
No raindrop feels responsible for the flood.
You gotta use that energy to push people in the primary
both sides are pretty bad, but you still gotta get on the bus
Your frequent reminder from the local queer, leftist furry that if “voting didn’t work,” Republicans and billionaires wouldn’t spend billions of dollars on voter suppression and propaganda telling you that your vote doesn’t matter.
Do your part, waste billionaire money by voting anyway, by any means necessary~
If you don’t vote then you don’t get to complain until the next election.
You refused to have a say and now you have to live with the consequences. No bitching.
And you should do that in all elections. Small and big.
If you are form the US, you are having your primaries by now.
Those are the ones where good people appear and need your vote to stay on the race. Go participate there, instead of complaining about the main election.
Just checked ballotpedia and found out that my rep has competition this year. Looked the guy up (Kyle Gauck) and he some ok stuff on his campaign page including that he won’t be taking cash from aipac and expanding healthcare access.
Aug 11th is voting day :)
This is the correct answer.
The people who support the “both sides bad” argument and the “protest non-voters” are children who still need their parents to order their tendies for them at Chili’s.
- Get involved.
- Understand the actual candidates.
- Vote in the primaries.
The general election should be the last step in executing your civic duties and by that time you should be voting for your team.
When will we prolls wrap our heads around the fact that we have been excluded from the Democratic process by the electoral vote. Not trying to be mean or sarcastic I’m just looking for a timeline.
Now the question is which is easier, convincing millions of people to vote for “anyone not a republican” or convincing a candidate to be more than “not republican”
Hey, primaries are around now. It’s a great time for that!
Participate in primaries. THIS is the election you want for that.
Depends on where you are. My state doesn’t have primaries till August and by then it’s basically already decided.
Same here, most primary candidate drop out before I even get my mail in ballot. Also there hasnt been a fair primary in 12 years so like so for over a decade party direction has been at the mercy of quid pro quo backroom deals, or straight up just appointing a candidate. Why would the next one suddenly be a fair representation of the will of voters?
What DNC did to Bernie caused Trump.
it doesn’t really matter - regardless of how difficult it is, we should be doing both
Why not both?
Because that is not the reality of what is currently going on.
Perhaps we could focus on promoting the dangers that fascism is currently presenting to the United States.
Yeah, it appears that Americans aren’t getting the education they need regarding the horrors of fascism. Apparently the largest war in history happening less than a century ago due to fascism isn’t enough. A war that was very well documented, including photographic and video evidence.
Dude, we can’t even come to agreement on the real actual truth about our own civil war when it comes to education.
No the real question is: which is easier, bitching online or running for office. I wish 1 in a million people who whinge about lack of candidates would actually go run for something. I’ll vote for you.
You mean Republican, right?
;)
Same as Democrats are not democratic, Republicans are not republican. ;)
Hard work undoing the newspeek this deep into the Orwellian hole.
It depends. What it means to be “more than “not Republican”” is different for different people. Some will never be satisfied, and others are just plain wolves in sheep’s clothing trying to drive down Democratic turnout so the fascists can hold power.
While yes, those groups certainly exist, the majority of people just truly need help from someone who actually cares to help them, and not someone who says they do, but abandons the idea when it turns out to be difficult to supply that help because it never meant that much to them in the first place, if it was ever anything more than talk to begin with.
Pointing out the tiny problematic groups without even mentioning the much larger legitimate group reminds me of people who complain about welfare because of the tiny group of people that exploit it, completely ignoring the huge amount of people that just need help.
Every time the welfare thing comes up I respond, so what? Who fucking cares if some tiny minority of people abuse the system if it means the people who really need it have easier access, or access at all? No one abusing welfare is so rich you would argue they don’t need help anyway, unless there’s some sort of corruption going on. Big companies take way more in handouts from the government than people on welfare. Why can’t the big powerful successful corporations pull themselves up by their bootstraps?
I mean, both sides DO suck. But the decision being made boils down to which side you think has the best chance of leading to an eventual outcome that doesn’t suck. I’m not voting for a party I like, because frankly that doesn’t exist as a viable option, but I’m not going to not vote just because neither side is better than a 3/10. I’d rather the 3/10 than the 1/10.
I think there’s real value in being honest about your feelings. The people who represent us need to know we think they suck. The people around us need to feel like others have the same struggles we do. The space for nuance does exist.
