• TheAgeOfSuperboredom@lemmy.ca
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    But I thought the point of guns is so you don’t need gubment protection! 😜

    He’s also proud of the fact he doesn’t understand “lawyer talk”. Pretty bad for a politician whose job consists of understanding, writing, proposing and debating laws. And if he doesn’t understand, why should anyone listen to what he has to say?

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      But I thought the point of guns is so you don’t need gubment protection!

      You can own firearms a multitude of different reasons.

      • Small/Medium/Large Game Hunting
      • Sport Shooting, Olympic Shooting
      • Wilderness Defence
      • Ex-Military/Police/Brink who practice on their off-time
      • Collectors
      • In the event of government overreach (authoritarian leadership) people have a chance of revolution
      • Researchers who work either deep in forests or in the arctic (Grizzly/Polar-bear territory).
      • It’s a fun hobby

      If our government is taking this approach towards firearms then why aren’t we banning high-risk vehicles that are commonly involved in car crashes? We don’t hear them say “Blue Toyota Camry’s cause a higher increase in fatalities so we’ll now be banning them.” It makes no sense.

      Ultimately these bans are nothing but an insult to 1) the RCMP who approved the 2.4 million firearms licenses and 2) the firearms owners who receive daily background checks and are statistically known to commit less crime than the average Canadian or foreigner.

      He’s also proud of the fact he doesn’t understand “lawyer talk”. Pretty bad for a politician whose job consists of understanding, writing, proposing and debating laws. And if he doesn’t understand, why should anyone listen to what he has to say?

      While I agree he should know some form of legalise he is an elected official after-all, doesn’t matter if most of his day job before politics was flipping patties, he got the votes to get into office, just like how Carney went from being a banker to prime minister.


      Edit; Can’t provide sources at the moment, I’ll gladly provide them when I have free time to edit this post or upon request, apologies y’all.

      • TheAgeOfSuperboredom@lemmy.ca
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        I’m not going to touch the “Blue Toyota” point. It’s such a weak argument that’s been debated to death and back.

        And I’m someone who does enjoy target shooting (I’m actually rather proud of myself for a bullseye across the rifle range with a rather decent grouping. Sorry if my vocabulary is incorrect… I don’t go often). I have friends who own firearms. All of us are think the debate is overblown and want less guns in Canada. We don’t want to see us become like the USA.

        doesn’t matter if most of his day job before politics was flipping patties

        And yet conservatives were constantly ragging on Trudeau for being “just a drama teacher”. I still hear about it!!

        I do think that people from all backgrounds should be allowed into politics. Frankly, we need more of that! Haha, or maybe some sort of anarcho-syndicalist commune, where people each take it in turn to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.

        I’m also happy to see politicians who can admit to not knowing something. But, then it’s their responsibility to get someone who does know to make informed decisions. Don’t stand there and tell me you don’t understand something, then deliver a speech, which I must assume is uninformed because you just told me three times you don’t understand. I’d respect him a lot more if he said this wasn’t his area and allowed an expert to speak instead. Without that understanding, this comes off as just rabble rousing.

        • ohshit604@sh.itjust.worksOPM
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          Respectfully you say this:

          I’m not going to touch the “Blue Toyota” point. It’s such a weak argument that’s been debated to death and back.

          But then also this

          We don’t want to see us become like the USA

          Firearm regulation works, I don’t think any Canadian is doubting that however the “We don’t want to be like the US” argument is a weak argument in my opinion.

          Like I mentioned above, statistically we experience significantly more gun crime involving illegal firearms opposed to legal firearms, wouldn’t it be a better use of our tax payer dollars to invest in preventing the root cause of the issues we face?

          I have friends who own firearms. All of us are think the debate is overblown and want less guns in Canada.

          I know you didn’t want to touch the Blue Toyota example I used above, and I respect that, so here’s a similar but different question.

          Do you believe everybody with a drivers license should be held responsible for when one person illegally misuses their vehicle and runs over a pedestrian?

          (Edit - This is for your friends) Do they feel that they should be held responsible for when someone illegally misuses their firearm and murders somebody?

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      It benefits the 119,681 firearms owners within the province, they get full pay for the property that the federal government intends to confiscate, compared to the first come first serve method the feds have been pushing for.

      The guns would he held by the province so if these bans do get overturned, there is a chance property can be returned to the rightful owners. It also gives firearms owners a legal standing against the government of Canada if they were not fairly paid for their property.

      Sounds like a small win for firearms owners, no?

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        Yeah I guess for fire arms owners, but he did say it benefits everyone. Im wondering how much this will cost. Would it not be better to invest in the people of the province? Health care, programs and infrastructure that benefit everyone instead of 10% of the provinces population?

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          Would it not be better to invest in the people of the province? Health care, programs and infrastructure that benefit everyone instead of 10% of the provinces population?

          Arguably less than the federal government intends to spend on this program.

          You’re right though, tax payer dollars would be better spent on the root cause of these issues oppose to what they’re doing at the moment essentially putting a bandaid over the issue and claiming victory.

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            You’re right though, tax payer dollars would be better spent on the root cause of these issues oppose to what they’re doing at the moment essentially putting a bandaid over the issue and claiming victory.

            Agreed