Both host content that are against our content policy and have had issues with users from those sites entering our community crossposting content that violates our content policy. We are discussing defederating other instances as well. There is discussion of lemmit.online being defederated because it pretty much exclusively scrapes reddit content and reposts it, and some content creators have expressed discomfort. If there’s other instances that might be worth considering defederating from, just post and it’ll be added to the current discussion.
and before anyone brings it up, lemmygrad defederated with us.
This isn’t a dictatorship but I ask that you please behave in the comment section and at least try to understand why we are defederating.
Question: If moderations tools improve and allow, say, communities from certain instances to [edit: NOT] show up on “All”/“Communities”, will it be possible to re-federate instances that allow some communities that are against the content policy?
Most (but not all) of the banned content on here is straight up illegal so it’s not such a huge deal ATM, but (for example, as this is the most obvious “not-illegal-but-still-banned” content I can think of) anyone into CNC can’t subscribe to it here (fair) but also can’t subscribe to an external CNC community either. This may become a bigger problem as the Content Policy expands (as an extreme example, I’ve seen people call for the ban of ALL non-original content, which would be great for ethics but would basically require disabling federation altogether).
EDIT: oof, even hentai cnc is banned. I’ve expanded further down the thread, but from a user’s perspective this really sucks because a lot of stuff that is well in the clear on reddit (sissy*, incest*, *dom, etc.) is potentially banned if we’re going to have a fictional consent police. While I understand the admins’ concerns, from a user perspective the current policy is already much harsher than any website I’ve ever been on that allowed porn.
Also is it even practical/sustainable to police things like fictional consent? Reddit doesn’t not do it because they like it, they don’t do it because it’s unenforceable. Their rules are made to be unambiguous and easily applied: don’t post underage stuff (duh), no revenge porn, no deepfakes, no illegal stuff. By saying “no noncon”, this opens up so many edge cases that I don’t think that they can be ruled on fairly. Is incest noncon? Is hypno porn? What about femdom? Bondage? That one scene from Blade Runner 1982?
This is off topic to your point but lets say, hypothetically, my friend was interested in a CNC-allowed instance, would you have any recommendations?
I don’t think there is one. At least going from the fact that I don’t see many federated nsfw instances here at all, but maybe I haven’t looked hard enough.
Tbh the legal and practical ramifications of hosting porn (particularly the borderline-legal kind) means that this is probably not going to be easy to get going for anyone living in a western country. I wouldn’t get my hopes up too much for your friend.
EDIT: There’s not. That’s a real shame because even drawn CNC is verboten now, and I’ve had an incest caption removed today (no reason provided, but I’m assuming that since IRL incest is non-consensual by definition then it might be (partially?) verboten as a fictional kink as well).
I know I will hold off on contributing here for now until the content policy stops getting expanded every week. I had assumed “reddit-like” rules would apply, but they’re already significantly stricter and there’s no point in submitting niche content that will get removed down the line.
I mean, I get it from the admins’ perspective. But from a user/contributor’s perspective I really really hope they can figure out a way that we can still aggregate content that was previously allowed on reddit, else I hardly see the point of migrating.
Appreciate the thoughts/insights. I guess my friend has just gotten too used to reddit, and didn’t realize there even was legal issues around hosting porn
CNC is not banned on this instance and not illegal (in the US; it may be in other countries); the problem is telling the difference between CNC and actual NC, since the whole point of CNC is to look and feel as much like noncon as possible. And then there are the grey areas of dubcon, reluctant consent, etc. It’s a real tricky space to navigate.
Yeah of course. I guess what I’m looking for specifically is more like… cnc personals? Which seem like they’d be fine on this instance if CNC is in fact not banned (yay). I definitely agree it’s basically impossible for an outside POV to distinguish between CNC and just rape in images/video, even with filmed consent beforehand because of the whole dubcon/reluctant consent issues.
EDIT: the original replier (OR?) to my question edited their post to confirm CNC is for sure banned here, so no yay. I might just end up staying on reddit for that, since it’s pretty advertiser unfriendly and I don’t need a mobile app since the only place I’m watching porn is at home. I’d rather deal with corporate BS on reddit than nazis on exploding heads
EDIT2: MY FRIEND*